AA "Why You Fly" TWU Style

[Hackman]

I absolutely hate you and people like you. I hope you were proud of yourself, you probably ran off 10 future customers. You union bastard!!!!!!!!!!!

[post="252524"][/post]​

Now, now, bootlicker, your gonna shed a tear and make us feel sorry for a sap like you. The management gods love disgruntled union people, remember? Someone to blame instead of management ineptness.

Its how you like it, and we don't want to disappoint you.

 

[Oneflyer]

Now, now, bootlicker, your gonna shed a tear and make us feel sorry for a sap like you.

Don't worry I'm not looking for your simpathy.

 

[Hackman]

Oneflyer,

I have read some of your posts and am dissapointed in some of your opinions upon our Unionized employees at AA, but you need to understand that not all of us are as bad as you perceive. In response to the "idiot", you have replied to. He is not "Union"...! He is an "elitist", one who champions the fact that he is an associate member of a "rogue association", called amfa..!!!! He would prefer that AA go into bankruptcy and decimate your job, as well as mine...!!!! Now this "fool" is taking his complaints to our passengers on his own accord...

He is either a "idiot or a martyr", only time will tell :blink:

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amfa: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO....!

[post="252538"][/post]​

Jeez LSMHSS, you snorting cutting oil again? Why don't you just bend over and give oneflyer a big wet one? Right on the left "cheek". Maybe invite him over for the next Tulsa twu/management PJ party sleepover?

"He is not union". Thank god Ken is not with the twu Bubba Club's punks, drunks, cowards, and felons. Did I forget functional illiterates? My bad.

"He is an elitist" Hmmm, now hold on..... I thought that was you? I mean you did proclaim; "With no blueprint, there is no Machinist. With no Machinist, there is no Airplane. With no Airplane, there is no A&P blink.gif"

Get the picture wink.gif Sounds like you are the one that's elitist. :unsure:

"Rogue association". It that the same one that represents 8 airlines M@R? (Soon to be nine) Still waiting for the twu card drive at ANY AMFA airline. Please start one sometime in the next twenty years.

"Decimate your job" Its very apparent the twu can do that without bankruptcy. As your un-elected leader Do-little stated "We were going straight into Chapter 7 liquidation." I need to play a little "Texas Holdum" for a chunk of Do-littles' $200k a year salary real soon.

You are so lost you couldn't find "ya'lls" a$$ with both hands. :huh: :huh:

 

[Hackman]

Don't worry I'm not looking for your simpathy.

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Thats good, because as twisted with hate against us as you are, you won't find much.

 

[Hackman]

I have read some of your posts and am dissapointed in some of your opinions upon our Unionized employees at AA, but you need to understand that not all of us are as bad as you perceive. In response to the "idiot", you have replied to.

I'm sure that you are right, I wouldn't lump everyone in with MacTern and AMFAMAN, but I will list a couple of things that drive me crazy about unions and I'll let you or anyone else enlighten me on why they make sense.

1. The idea that the company owes you something. That because you work hard and have stayed at the company a long time the company should give you something out of the ordinary.

2. The idea that the union and the company can never work together, that the relationship should always be adversarial. If the union isn't fighting the company they must have "sold out."

3. Telling customer how bad your job sucks. No one cares! All you do is drive customers away, why would anyone ever want to do this? IT will NOT improve your situation.

4. The idea that because you work in the operation you deserve anything AA makes.

5. The idea that management is stealing from you and making millions. AA's upper management gets paid about as little as any major company, they all could leave for better salaries and for the most part their stock options are worthless. If they're just interested in money why don't they leave?

[post="252558"][/post]​

Ans #1 I don't think they (the company) owe anything but a fair shake and a paycheck for my labor. Continuing to lie, cheat, and steal like greedy big business (not all of them) does to their employees today is sickening. Seeing the thousands upon thousands of lives destroyed by management greed; Enron, WorldCom, Healthsouth and many others is the making of a worker revolt. Airlines are some of the worst.

Ans #2 I think management and employees should try to work together. I will not be a bootlicker to the man. Never have and never will. When you have been continually; stepped on, lied to, tricked, bamboozeled, told "you need to know your place in society", called lazy, uneducated, and generally made to feel inferior to "we in the ivory tower", you get a little jaded. So now we are now suppose to trust, forgive and forget. Put down the crack pipe. Like Ricky said to Lucy: You got some 'splainin to do....and I don't like what I'm hearing.

Ans #3 Customers need to know our concerns. They're life could depend on it. The AMT has always been in the shadows under the pilots and FA's, people don't know what we do and the difficulties we face. Except if something goes wrong and fingers get pointed when they fill the body bags. No one cares is right... until the body count.

Ans#4 Get off what ever your on. In 1995, the twu negotiated one of the worst concessionary contracts in history (We currently have the worst). Management cried "poor mouth" and the twu bought it hook line and sinker. The twu managed to somehow pass (still can't anyone who voted for it) the famous six year/6.5% pay raise contract while going on to make record profits afterward. We didn't even keep up with inflation. "Sorry, you have a six year contract, see you then", is what management said when we asked for a fair share of the pie.

Ans#5 Management is not feeling the pain like the unions are, and still way too top heavy. If management was sincere, then they would have led the way with the pay cuts because their blunders are mostly to blame of why we are in this huge hole. Uncle Don spent money like a crackhead in Columbia with TWA, More Room in Coach, Sleeperseats in First Class, and many other monsterous failures. Arpey might be able to turn it around, but its gonna be a looooong time before I believe any diatribe that comes out of management skidmark with a tie on. If they all wanted to leave, who's gonna hire them? I wouldn't want to hire some smartass ex-airline management flunkie that ran a once healthy airline into the ground with bonehead business decisions that cost millions because his/her ego got out of hand.

Its a vicious circle. You blame the unions and I blame management. I can go many places and get a job close to or more than what I make now. I have been looking. I have many years invested here at AA, I like what I do. I might even be proud to work here again like I use to be many years ago. However, I'm not ready to walk just yet. I have a lot invested here. There might come a time when it just won't be worth it anymore, but I will fight for what I think is right until then. I will not quit fighting until I say so.

 

[AC AA LA FA]

I absolutely hate you and people like you. I hope you were proud of yourself, you probably ran off 10 future customers. You union bastard!!!!!!!!!!!

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if the fares are low enough-10x10 will be running to AA-
pull your panties out of your crak One-and get a clue hua

 

[DFWCC]

I absolutely hate you and people like you. I hope you were proud of yourself, you probably ran off 10 future customers. You union bastard!!!!!!!!!!!

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Careful management.... While I would not have approached the subject in the same way, that AMTCC may have found 15 new customers because he shows integrity to safety and passangers over his personal feelings.

 

[DFWCC]

This is stupidest f-ing thing i've ever heard of in my life. Why the hell did they deserve 26 weeks? The company is losing billions and you want AA to just hand out 26 weeks of pay just for the hell of it. The stupidity and hypocrisy of it is incredible. If a member of management got the 26 weeks you'd scream bloody murder, but because he's a CC he Deserves it. Incredible.

[post="252525"][/post]​

Stand in stead program basicaly when there is a RIF those being laid-off receive 13weeks seperation pay (if they are recalled in a certain amount of time they must pay it back to AA). This was offered to senior employees as an incentive to retire or just self terminate in order to save one low seniority employee who was about to get laid-off. A senior topped in pay emp leaves and AA keeps a junior employee who may have not topped out. Hmmm Less wage scale hmm younger wkr may not be as sick (bad back diabetes etc) saves sick calls Hmmm employees move up in seniority improves moral.
This was offered to agents and ramp workers also. And I know CSMs had their package.
So before you spout off, know what the firefluck you're talking about.

 

[flydcoop]

I absolutely hate you and people like you. I hope you were proud of yourself, you probably ran off 10 future customers. You union bastard!!!!!!!!!!!

[post="252524"][/post]​

And you say this from where? Centreport?

You are SO IN TOUCH with the front-lines, keep up the good work.

All you can do is belittle the Unions...I believe I have called you out on this before.

I am still a believer in the APFA and I was told thank-you for my service today...repeatedly.

When I see PL, AP, AG, or EP on my paperwork, I'm ON.

I know who pays my paycheck and it ain't upper management.

So, I know why you fly...

does Centreport?

Who exactly are you referencing in that last post?

love,

Coop

 

[mweiss]

Enron, WorldCom, Healthsouth and many others is the making of a worker revolt. Airlines are some of the worst.

You really lose a lot of credibility with comments such as these. Enron, WorldCom, and Healthsouth are genuine examples of corporate thievery. The people at the top made money off of artificial stock inflation, and made hundreds of times as much money as any airline executive. Such a comment from you does nothing more than make you appear disconnected and ignorant about the company for whom you work.

It's unfortunate, because I agree with pretty much everything else in your post.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

I absolutely hate you and people like you. I hope you were proud of yourself, you probably ran off 10 future customers. You union bastard!!!!!!!!!!!

[post="252524"][/post]​

Obviously, your hatred (and elitism?) has clouded your thinking. Posts like this do serious damage to your credibility and your other posts are considered.

Your posts also do damage to the company, as we need less polarization, not more. Many readers of your posts will infer that other management types or wanna-bees share your feelings.

Like it or not, the working class is here and unions are here. Learn to adjust and don't get your knickers in a twist over things you can't change. It just makes you look silly.

BTW, SW is the most heavily unionized airline, and seems to do OK. From what I know from friends there, they manage to deal with unions without rancor and hatred.

 

[mjk]

I think some of you guys have sent Oneflyer off the deep end.

That's why I don't take most of the posts on this board seriously.

If half of you could channel your anger into something constructive, you'd be filthy rich and could tell AA to kiss your a_s_s !

 

[Bob Owens]

This is stupidest f-ing thing i've ever heard of in my life. Why the hell did they deserve 26 weeks? The company is losing billions and you want AA to just hand out 26 weeks of pay just for the hell of it. The stupidity and hypocrisy of it is incredible. If a member of management got the 26 weeks you'd scream bloody murder, but because he's a CC he Deserves it. Incredible.

[post="252525"][/post]​

How does the 13 weeks of severance, which is offset by the loss of accumulated sick time time by the way, compare to the packages that Carty and friends left with?

 

[Bob Owens]

Also, you need to think before you open your mouth. AA has to pay 13 weeks severance to whomever they layoff, providing they have enough seniority to get 13 weeks.(it is in the TWU contract). It does not matter if the person has 15 years or 30+ years. All Stand-in-stead really does is let the senior person take the layoff in place of the junior person. But once a person takes this program they are severed from the company, they can't ever have their job back. This actually helps AA save money because the senior person makes more money, has more sick time and gets sick more than a junior person, and has more vacation time, etc. By the way, I have heard that management people who elect to take stand in stead get 26 weeks. I don't hear you complaining about that or the 2 years for every 1 year seniority credit that some management people get. You are a fool.

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Lets also not forget that when someone takes the stand in stead they dont collect unemployment, this also saves the company money because if the person had not taken the stand in stead and they had laid someone off that person could collect.

 

[goingboeing]

Oneflyer,

I have read some of your posts and am dissapointed in some of your opinions upon our Unionized employees at AA, but you need to understand that not all of us are as bad as you perceive. In response to the "idiot", you have replied to. He is not "Union"...! He is an "elitist", one who champions the fact that he is an associate member of a "rogue association", called amfa..!!!! He would prefer that AA go into bankruptcy and decimate your job, as well as mine...!!!! Now this "fool" is taking his complaints to our passengers on his own accord...

He is either a "idiot or a martyr", only time will tell :blink:

------------------------------------
amfa: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO....!

[post="252538"][/post]​

AA should be in the business of making profits most of all and not being an employment agency.The management needs to stop making decisions on how many jobs it will affect and make decisions on what will make a profit.
Too many management people are interested in protecting their "personal" empire instead of making AA a profitable company.The TWU is interested in DUES ONLY and will do whatever it takes to keep them rolling in.