AA to recall 545 FAs and 250 pilots
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<_< ------- Interesting!----- But wouldn't these newly returned employees be more inclined to vote in a T.A. ? 
jimntx
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Whatever does that mean? Are you trying to say that former TW flight attendants are more likely to roll over and play dead for the company? Based on the former TW flight attendants I have the honor of knowing, I would say just the opposite is true. They are true, fierce union supporters.
Besides, you have to have a TA for them to vote on. I don't think the flight attendants or the pilots are anywhere close to a TA. The APFA President is still pushing the NMB to release us from arbitration because the company continues to offer the same old same old time and time again despite the fact that the union has rejected their offer multiple times.
Besides, you have to have a TA for them to vote on. I don't think the flight attendants or the pilots are anywhere close to a TA. The APFA President is still pushing the NMB to release us from arbitration because the company continues to offer the same old same old time and time again despite the fact that the union has rejected their offer multiple times.
and the pilots were thinking that the AA/BA deal would cost them jobs.................. h34r:
sounds like the same thinking I've heard the past 20 years, Eagle is going to take over AA........................h34r:
Eagle doesn't even have as many a/c in their fleet as we have md80's ............................. <_<
h34r: sounds like the same thinking I've heard the past 20 years, Eagle is going to take over AA........................
h34r: Eagle doesn't even have as many a/c in their fleet as we have md80's ............................. <_<
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It's fun to watch any good news that gets announced turned into some conspiracy or another. American has its hands full. And from what I have read about the TWA attendants, they may be union supporters - but they certainly aren't APFA supporters.
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Additional transfers!!!!
The Company will also capture transfers to DFW-D and MIA-D on 15Oct10 at 0830ct . These transfers will be effective 02Dec10. The number of transfers to these two bases will be determined on the day of capture, 15Oct10.
This is the 2nd transfer to DFW-D and MIA-D in less than two weeks. After 6 years of almost total stagnation in the base transfer area--particularly to DFW-D--two in two weeks? Obviously, there is a disturbance in the force. :unsure:
The Company will also capture transfers to DFW-D and MIA-D on 15Oct10 at 0830ct . These transfers will be effective 02Dec10. The number of transfers to these two bases will be determined on the day of capture, 15Oct10.
This is the 2nd transfer to DFW-D and MIA-D in less than two weeks. After 6 years of almost total stagnation in the base transfer area--particularly to DFW-D--two in two weeks? Obviously, there is a disturbance in the force. :unsure:
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Not sure about that. But if AA is the place you want to be then congrats to everyone affected. If not, I'm glad you have found something else.<_< ------- Interesting!----- But wouldn't these newly returned employees be more inclined to vote in a T.A. ?
jimntx
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The most junior flight attendant currently flying is a former TW f/a with an April, 2002 "date of hire." All of those being recalled are former TW flight attendants with an April, 2002 "date of hire." So, DOH doesn't really apply. They are all top of scale (more than 15 years) in pay. If you will remember, they were given credit for their years of service at TWA for company seniority calculation.
There are currently 1342 names on the furlough list; so, 545 will be approximately 41% of the furloughees.
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I'll assume you meant April 2001... and I really did mean DOH, Jim. Not their union seniority. As you pointed out, 4/1/2001 isn't very meaningful when 2000 people have the same date...
Has APFA or the company said anything lately on reinstating those already dropped off the recall list, or is that just a lost cause and too much to expect?
Has APFA or the company said anything lately on reinstating those already dropped off the recall list, or is that just a lost cause and too much to expect?
My understanding is that those dropped off the recall list will not be reinstated.
Correct. One of my friends is in the group that lost his recall rights. He was in a couple classess after me. The former TWA's got their rights extended but not the AA classess after mine. APFA is not equal opportunity defender as we all know.
Unfortunately, there were approximately 1500 BOTH hired and acquired AA f/as that dropped off the list before the extension. Poor numbers were used to "broker" the deal and the APFA did NOTHING to try and protect those most junior. At this point, if those in that category had gone with other airlines, they would have enough seniority to make it unlikely that they would return to AA. BUT, they still should have the option of saying yes or no.
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As you say, the date is 4/10/01. The junior person has TWA seniority of July, 1977.
This brings back all TWA FA's who were recalled in 2007-2008 and then furloughed in 2009. Those furloughed 10/1/09 (including yours truly) are in the first group with a report date (all to LGA except possibly a couple of French speakers who would go to MIA to fly Montreal) of 12/17/10. Those furloughed 4/1/09 are in the second group whose report date will be in the first quarter. In my opinion, the company is waiting to see how many of us actually accept recall to determine the date for the next group.
It is widely believed that most or all of the remaining 797, who have never been trained on AA equipment and have been on the street since July, 2003, will be set up for training and report sometime in spring or early summer. In my opinion, this is contingent upon several things, one being how many of the 545 accept recall, which additional routes are added, what happens with the JAL thing, the economy, and of course, the contract.
There has been no talk (that I know of) of anyone who has dropped off the recall list being reinstated. Back in 1985 when TWA had a group fall off the 5-year recall list, they went to those people first when they started hiring off the street again. They had to be retrained and start over with pay and seniority, but they had been at the bottom anyway. I have no idea if AA plans to do the same.
Time will tell. I think the next few months are going to be very interesting.
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