Aa To Recall 390 Flight Attendants

[kirkpatrick]

Mikey last time there were over 2000 flight attendants on furlough. Then AA recalled over 400 of them before cancelling the overage leaves. Guess what happend July 2nd of this year? AA FURLOUGHED them again! How can you say this hasn't happend? It has!

... Also, if this recall is so necesary then why won't AA allow others furloughed to come back if any of the 390 don't return to work? Answer That? :unsure:

The 400 recalled in April of 2002 were due to APFA winning a grievance about the way overage leaves were handled. The furlough of these same people in July 2003 was due to the manpower requirements of the concessionary contract, it was not a seasonal reduction.

Historically about 10% of furloughees chose not to come back. The company has anticipated that and "built in" that expectation in the recall number of 390.

I agree with Mikey and MiAAmi on this one. Why do you insist on trying to turn a positive step into something negative? If these people are furloughed after the holidays I'll send you my Christmas bonus.

MK

 

[Flyboy4u]

Just because the company only needs 351 flight attendants to come back then Why couldn't the company and APFA follow procedure and cancel the overage leaves to get these numbers? It seems to me that these furloughs could come back to work only to be furloughed again come Jan 1st. Try being furloughed to turn around, and be furloughed again! This has happened before and will happen again. Not only that, but for those who end up furloughed again unless this recall lasts more than 6 months then unemployment compensation is no longer an option. All I am trying to say here is where is the support for fellow colleagues out there. It seems to me that those with AA only care about themselves...Unlike other carriers out there in worse financial trouble ( See US posts ). I truley hope that the furloughs won't happen again but the past indicates that it will. :angry:

 

[Flyboy4u]

Mikey last time there were over 2000 flight attendants on furlough. Then AA recalled over 400 of them before cancelling the overage leaves. Guess what happend July 2nd of this year? AA FURLOUGHED them again! How can you say this hasn't happend? It has!

... Also, if this recall is so necesary then why won't AA allow others furloughed to come back if any of the 390 don't return to work? Answer That? :unsure:

The 400 recalled in April of 2002 were due to APFA winning a grievance about the way overage leaves were handled. The furlough of these same people in July 2003 was due to the manpower requirements of the concessionary contract, it was not a seasonal reduction.

Historically about 10% of furloughees chose not to come back. The company has anticipated that and "built in" that expectation in the recall number of 390.

I agree with Mikey and MiAAmi on this one. Why do you insist on trying to turn a positive step into something negative? If these people are furloughed after the holidays I'll send you my Christmas bonus.

MK

Kirkpartick

I too hope you, Mikey, and MiAAmi are correct on this but remember the F100's are yet to be retired. Not to mention, AA has said they plan on reducing the F/C seats on the 737 to eliminate the #3 position. All of this results in less flight attendants. Guess what happens when flight attendants are not needed? FURLOUGH and guess who ends up on the street again. AA has no reason not to furlough again! It's really sad what this industry and this airline have come to!

 

[FA Mikey]

Just because the company only needs 351 flight attendants to come back then Why couldn't the company and APFA follow procedure and cancel the overage leaves to get these numbers? It seems to me that these furloughs could come back to work only to be furloughed again come Jan 1st. Try being furloughed to turn around, and be furloughed again! This has happened before and will happen again. Not only that, but for those who end up furloughed again unless this recall lasts more than 6 months then unemployment compensation is no longer an option. All I am trying to say here is where is the support for fellow colleagues out there. It seems to me that those with AA only care about themselves...Unlike other carriers out there in worse financial trouble ( See US posts ). I truley hope that the furloughs won't happen again but the past indicates that it will. :angry:

There is no set procedure if you could take a min to read article 16. People on leaves ASKED to be released and ASKED for a set time period to be off. How many want to come running back for the holidays?

Its seems a lot of things can happen. Concentrate on something other than the negative and maybe things would a little happier in your life. Furloughed, come back to work furloughed again. Unless you have some amazing physic abilities NO ONE knows what's going to happen and NO ONE is holding a gun to anyone's head to come back unless they want too.

You want to go work for U? Is it that great? read about there new reserve system.

 

[wrx]

Let's review part of the message again from AA, "Increased flying now through Spring 2004." AA is required to give a 60 day WARN to furlough. Notice is sent out February 1, 2004, and that would mean an April 2004 furlough. Remember what they said..."Increased flying now through Spring 2004!!"


WELCOME TO SEASONAL FLYING!!!

 

[MiAAmi]

And what always happens during summer? Increased flying again! Its happened every year that I've been here. So any seasonal winter flying that you so predict should be made up during the regular summer months. 390 flight attendants are not that much when you consider how short we were this past summer.

 

[FA Mikey]

Really they are expecting only 351. Next month Miami is taking on thee new flights to PIT,MSP and IND. Miami international is adding Liberia, new flights to GIG and GRU, The new FLL flight to PAP, SDQ and CCS. Yea even though we see a cut in STL, many other places are seeing growth.

 

[FWAAA]

How can we believe anything you say? You're a former TWA f/a who is so pissed at AA, APFA and the AA f/a's it's not even funny. Have you ever thought that maybe some people need to make some $$$$$$ before the holidays. Maybe they're broke and need to comeback to work. Well, these f/a's do need to comeback and they're going to file a NOD.

I know you're very upset that you will never return to flying with AA. But, don't take it out on us, it wasn't our fault that the IAM and APFA screwed you guys. All you guys have done since the acquisition is complain, complain and complain...YAWN!

BTW, my friends are not idiots. You might want to look in the mirror!!

Nope, I'm not a former FA, not with TWA or any other airline.

And your posts fail to convince me that you're actually an FA with AA. B)

 

[wrx]

Nope, I'm not a former FA, not with TWA or any other airline.
And your posts fail to convince me that you're actually an FA with AA. B)

You must be jealous of all AA f/a's! Did you get turned down in an interview? I'm a f/a for AA and that's the deal. I can prove it to you anytime and any place. I just enjoy all of you that post that are not f/a's or don't even work for an airline. You think you know everything about our profession. LOL!

 

[Flyboy4u]

Are we doing seasonal recalls?

Dear Lauri:

The chat boards are buzzing that the recall announced by the Company yesterday will bring back furloughed flight attendants just so that AA will be able to get through the holidays and then we will be re-furloughed. Since being furloughed, I have had to go out and find another job. I don't want to give that up if I'm going to be sent right back out after Christmas. I really want to come back, but I am very concerned.

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Lauri's Response:

It's not surprising that this rumor is circulating considering the recall timeline. Let me say that this rumor is not true. The recalls we announced yesterday are being driven by changes to the schedule for next year. Our operating plan for 2004, which was recently completed by our Capacity Planning group, includes some limited growth. This flying can be done using currently under-utilized airplanes and we will need additional flight attendants to cover that flying.

Of course, I cannot predict what will or will not happen tomorrow so I cannot, in good conscience, say that there won't be another furlough. What I can say is that we do not expect any additional furloughs for the foreseeable future.

I hope that helps.

Sincerely,
Lauri Curtis






THis is very interesting.....Note how she says "Of course, I cannot predict what will or will not happen tomorrow so I cannot, in good conscience, say that there won't be another furlough"......Happy Holidays to All! :unsure:

 

[AC AA LA FA]

, AA has said they plan on reducing the F/C seats on the 737 to eliminate the #3 position. ...

..from flt svc....737 will continue to be bid at 4 f/as after conversation...

 

[wrx]

, AA has said they plan on reducing the F/C seats on the 737 to eliminate the #3 position. ...

..from flt svc....737 will continue to be bid at 4 f/as after conversation...

They have already started doing it. I had to commute through ORD the other day and the 737 I was on only had 16 F/C seats! That f/a was so stressed it was sad, 16 pax and 1 f/a. Any plane that has over 14 seats in F/C is required to have 2 f/a's working the F/C cabin. The APFA has already said they will file a Presidential Grievance on it when AA started reducing the seats. I would guess they will be filing it soon.

 

[kirkpatrick]

That f/a was so stressed it was sad, 16 pax and 1 f/a.

The TWA MD80 aircraft had 16 seats before conversion to AA's 14. We routinely did meals services on it. Usually #4 would come up and lend a hand running drinks while #2 set up the coach bar cart. #2 would then push the cart to the forward part of coach and #4 could join him/her on it. #1 has to be organized, but it isn't really that difficult.

MK

 

[MiAAmi]

Anyone that gets stressed out over 16 people in first shouldn't be working up front.
When we were short over the summer on International we were working with 3 f/a's at times and this was with 20 seats in first.

 

[L1011Ret]

My spouse routinely worked #1 on TWA MD80s and never had any problem doing the service as MK describes.