AA Down Under and Trans Pac?

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

If one owns stock, they are not unbiased, that is why professional analyists have to release that they hold stock in a company they are writing about.

 
World Fraudster is not a professional analyst. 
He isn't even a good biased analyst.
 
He is a fiction writer.  Sure, he can pick out 1 slice of data and then fabricate 5 additional statements/conclusions in order to sell a narrative that is yet another chapter in his DL Rules the World masterpiece.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

You didn't honestly expect a straight answer did you?

>750+ words, more than half a dozen topics ... ... ...
 
hope springs eternal

 

[WorldTraveler]

but you can't deny that AA doesn't have a thing to Asia that it paid for while DL and UA both spent billions acquiring airlines and assets to develop their position in Asia.

further, AA absolutely smashed DL and UA when they tried to venture into Latin America.

and yet AA wants to be treated with kid gloves in its west coast to Asia expansion.

even commavia figures out it is a competitive industry. He just thinks that competition should exempt AA in LAX to Asia.

without a meaningful or profitable LAX to Asia operation, AA at LAX is just a connecting point between Oklahoma and Hawaii.

 

[commavia]

"Just a connecting point between Oklahoma and Hawaii."
 
There's today's latest hilarious detachment from reality.  I'm going to have to remember that one - that's a keeper!

 

[WorldTraveler]

good.

I'm glad YOU laughed.

if the goal AT ALL is to have a presence to Asia where AA will have an advantage compared to DL and UA, you might not be laughing for as long as it takes for that to become reality, if it ever does.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

AA at LAX is just a connecting point between Oklahoma and Hawaii.

DL at ATL is just a connecting point between NY and FL

 

[IORFA]

T4 obviously has FIS, but American Airlines has something called TBIT, and won't need it much longer. And in less than a year, it will be connected to T4 within security, with dedicated security lines for TBIT arriving passengers to connect quickly to T4. 
 
I bet T4 FIS is converted to expanding baggage handling/carousels.

They keep telling us in LA that they want to reopen T4 FIS. I have no idea why. Your baggage claim suggestion is so much better. A little space to expand Flight Service operations would be a god send, but I digress.

 

[WorldTraveler]

DL at ATL is just a connecting point between NY and FL

and Florida and Europe and the US and Latin America.

may I remind you that DL has the 2nd largest US carrier hub to Latin America at ATL.

 

[diamondcutter]

and Florida and Europe and the US and Latin America.may I remind you that DL has the 2nd largest US carrier hub to Latin America at ATL.

Hhmm and who is first in the U.S.?

 

[nevergiveup]

and Florida and Europe and the US and Latin America.

may I remind you that DL has the 2nd largest US carrier hub to Latin America at ATL.

Delta is a gift to mankind!

 

[WorldTraveler]

Hhmm and who is first in the U.S.?

if you are talking about domestic size, I think we have covered many times and there is no debate that American is the largest due to their merger which left them number 3 across both the Atlantic and Pacific but a big domestic airline.

 

[eolesen]

WT's normal splitting of hairs and conditionals is in full swing, I see.

Hhmm and who is first in the U.S.?

That's easy... but let's be clear -- DL @ ATL isn't the second largest hub to Latin America.

UA @ IAH is.
 

US to Mexico, Central America, and South America
AA MIA 161039561
UA IAH 105926522
DL ATL 95948939
AA DFW 73662229
UA EWR 40683736

US to Caribbean, Mexico, Central America, and South America
AA MIA 207512911
DL ATL 125274206
UA IAH 115650487
AA DFW 75833589
UA EWR 65495652

I know, WT really, really wants to include the Caribbean to make his argument look better, but how many people from Jamaica, the Winwards, Antilles, or Bahamas consider themselves Latino?...

And, once WN starts to build up HOU to Mexico and Central America, do you really expect UA to sit back at IAH? It won't take much to displace ATL when that little bunfight starts up.

 

[WorldTraveler]

you'd actually have to label your headings and define your parameters for it to become even the slightest bit clear.

for the current month, DL is flying 610 million ASMs from ATL to Latin America while UA from IAH is flying 545.

ASMs are the standard of production in the airline industry.

and you might do well to understand what is considered DOT Latin regardless of how people think of themselves.

bunfight?

the only fight that is taking place is in S. Florida between AA and a number of carriers and WN vs UA primarily in Houston.

 

[commavia]

The most interesting takeaway from those statistics, to me, is that whether inclusive or exclusive of the Caribbean, AA's MIA hub is between 1/2-2/3 larger than the second largest U.S. carrier gateway/hub to the region.
 
I'd be curious to know if there is any other geographic region in the U.S. for which the #1 U.S. carrier gateway/hub is >50% larger than the #2 gateway/hub.  I doubt that the #1 U.S. carrier gateway/hub across the Atlantic - I suspect United at EWR - is anywhere close to 50-65% larger than the #2, which I suspect is Delta at JFK.  United at SFO, perhaps?

 

[WorldTraveler]

good question

and DL's JFK hub is the number 2 TATL hub followed by DL at ATL based on peak summer 2015 schedules. DL at JFK is about 20% smaller to Europe (which does not include Africa/Middle East) than UA at EWR. US at PHL is number 4.

but your point is exactly why I have long said that AA at MIA is vulnerable... it is a disproportionately concentrated hub for AA in the largest gateway to Latin America where there are no other US competitors.

It is why low cost carriers are attracted there - based on AA's high fares - and why other large US carriers will eventually add MIA to Latin America service.

low fare carriers are simply put pricing pressure on AA which will make it easier for legacy carriers to eventually enter (or at least one of them).

in terms of the question of which hub is larger to Latin America, DOT data shows that DL moves more passengers via ATL to Latin America than UA and slightly edged out UA at IAM in terms of revenue.