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When you see a VFF, he's not getting paid.
When you see a VFF going through the same security you go through, he's not being paid.
When you see a VFF walking in the terminal, he's not being paid.
When you see a VFF at the gate waiting for his flight to meet a client or go back home to loved ones, he's not being paid.
When you see a VFF making alternate arrangements after being told of cancellations or delays, he's not being paid.
When you board the aircraft and look in the cabin and see the VFFs taking their seat(coach or First), they're not getting paid.
When they land at your destination, they're not being paid.
When you see a VFF waiting for a ride to a hotel for the night, he's not being paid.
The only time the VFF is getting paid is when you DON'T see him...when he's actually at the client/business site.
Everything else he does is for free!

The average airline VFF is at work for 12-14 hours per day, yet gets paid for 8 (based on the traditional assupmtion of 40 hr "work" week).
The average airline VFF is away from home, at work, for 100+ hours per week, yet gets paid for 40 hours per weeks work.
Most VFFs schedules have them working 22+ days per month...
that means 22+ days away from home- gone, they are not at home over half the month.
Often if the work warrants it, this includes holidays, weekends, birthdays, anniversaries, summer vacations- not at home- no holiday, weekend, or overtime pay either.
A majority of VFFs have 4-year college degrees or more before they begin travelling as VFFs.
A large number of VFFs have served time in the military.
Civilian VFFs have spent $50,000 or more in higher education and training costs to acquire the training that qualifies them for a their job, which doesn't always pay well enough to make the total time away worth it.
VFFs are subject to random drug and alcohol testing any time they are at work. Fail it and they lose their job.
Some VFF professions are required to undergo rigorous re-training and certification every 6 to 9 months, if they fail they lose their jobs, licenses and livelihood.

I could go on...but, what makes a pilot profession any more important than a VFF who must endure the long periods away from home? Both chose that line of work. And both knew early on, WELL before they got into the profession, the requirements of the job.
 
While I could quibble (in a minor way) with one or two of those points, I personally agree - without you we don't have a job and without all of us your job would be a lot harder.

I'm still amazed at how much time some of you VFF's spend traveling. Some of you spend more time on airplanes and in airports than some crews do. Frankly, I wouldn't trade jobs with you and suspect most of you wouldn't trade with me - or at least the pre-retirment me.

Jim
 
While I could quibble (in a minor way) with one or two of those points, I personally agree - without you we don't have a job and without all of us your job would be a lot harder.

I'm still amazed at how much time some of you VFF's spend traveling. Some of you spend more time on airplanes and in airports than some crews do. Frankly, I wouldn't trade jobs with you and suspect most of you wouldn't trade with me - or at least the pre-retirment me.

Jim

Jim your posts on here always show what a gentleman and professional you are.
 
AMEN BROTHER AMEN.

I had to fly to JAX today to attend my company's national meeting (on my time, and not being paid). I will spend the next 2 days in meetings then Tuesday evening I will be flying to TPA to start work on Wednesday putting in a probable 12 hour day and repeat that on Thursday and about 6 hours on Friday, then fly home Friday evening. And I don't know even how many hours I'll spend in my hotel room getting work down yet. I will spend Saturday in an 8 hour seminar just so I can keep up my requirements so that I can keep my professional license.

Sunday is my only day at home before I'm on a plane Monday morning to repeat yet another work week.
 
Most VFF's are hourly workers? I had no idea.


No most are salaried. But when you crunch the numbers as to how many actual hours we work the salary we receive doesn't include weekends. And we don't get overtime as a salaried employee. So if I'm working past 5 or 6pm on any given day it's not at overtime pay.
 
I couldn't agree more. I'm paid for working "40 hours" per week, but the time is always over 100 hours when time in airplane seats, cabs, work dinners/breakfasts, airports, etc. is included. Also, my non-traveling counterparts make the same as I do, so don't think I'm getting paid extra for all the time away from home.
 
Like most concepts you seem to miss the boat when it's not about being a pilot. I've been reluctant to post on either this thread or the pilot one because like me you CHOOSE the job you do.

Just like ME , you KNEW the hours involved and what the work entailed and you took the job anyway.

Just like ME, you knew that their would be multiple hours per day when you are technically not "On The Clock" but working just the same.

Here's a week in my life:
Monday
Drive to Jamesburg facility - 1.5 hours
Prepare Class Room - 1.5 hours
Notice mistake in Student Guide. Reprint 7 manuals in color re burn CD's, replace and rebind - 4 hours
Complete expense report on line and respond to 53 e-mails -4 hours.
Provide Phone support to Sales Rep on west coast attempting to close a deal - 1 hour
Got to hotel and answer 14 more emails. - .5 hours.
Total Hours = 12.5, Total hours paid = 7

Tuesday
Arrive at 7:30 PM meet with our "Specialist" to review course and student list - 1 hour
Continue meeting over breakfast - .5 hrs
Greet arriving lerners - .5 hrs
Teach course - 6.5 hours
Review evaluation with specialist and recieve feedback - 1 hour
Pacj for trip - .5 hours.
Total = 9 hrs, Paid =7 hours

Wednesday
Drive 66 miles to PHL in snow and ice - 2 hours
Arrive at airport 5:30AM to find flight cancelled w/o notification from US.
Eventually get re routed PHL to SAN arrive 9PM PST
Drive 2 hours to SNA, pick up rental and drive to hotel.
Net time of travel = 24 hours. Paid hours = 7

Thursday
Wake up 6AM respond to all of yesterdays e-mails. 1 hour
Leave early to set up class. Arrive at our Irvine facility and set up class, 1.5 hours
Teach Demonstration Workshop - 7 hours
Class room clean up and re set for Friday session. 1 hour

Friday
Arrive and teach Color management for 7.5 hours total.
Go to SNA and return rental. Leave on 7:52 flight to PHX. Arrive on time. Take 1.5 hour flight delay PHX-PHL, arrive in PHL 7:30 EST and drive 1.5 hours home. Another 23 hour total day for 7 hours pay plus no Friday night out as it was a red eye.

And NO I don't want a cookie because this is the life I chose. No one puts a gun to my head to do what I do. We all make choices. I made mine and you made yours! Live with it.

And Bob posting here priceless.
 
And NO I don't want a cookie...

But if you stay at the DoubleTree they give cookies to you at checkin.. even if you don't ask... But Im with you. I don't want a cookie either. Too many calaries.

Pilots asking for sympathy.. customers asking for sympathy.. whats the diffence? Might as well tape a "kick me" sign on your butt. :lol:
 
Miles traveled create interesting stories to tell and hopefully insight and wisdom gained & perhaps one or two true friendships acquired over the years. Beyond that miles traveled or not traveled do very little to distinguish between individuals.

Life's about choices and how we deal with them. And oh yes, the people we encounter along the way. There's lots of ways to take that journey.

A neighbor up the street is a VFF. On the road, often to Japan and environs far away. He loves his job and the responsibility of the corporate side of life. His wife is home with the 3 kids, alone and always haggard looking from both the shopping and additional responsibilities while he's away. We're not quite sure if a marriage exists any longer. But the kids are well clothed and happily engaged in their friends and activities. I guess that life is good for them.

Another friend arises early each day to catch a 5:15 AM bus for a 90 minute trip ( on a good day ) to NYC and the glass canyons of Manhatten. He returns home at 8PM ( weather and traffic permitting ) and plays with his daughter before going to bed by 10PM. He's devoted to his wife and they live for weekends and their time together. Life is good for them.

Another acquaintance was a VFF but is no more. He was on one of those planes that zealous murderers flew into the Towers. His wife and daughter go on without him. One wonders how they feel as "experts" tell America how stupid our President is and politicians presently play at blame under guise of foreign policy. One lives it every day, the others tell us how to live. Life goes on for them.

I'm just a lucky fool who drives a few miles to work and tries to do the job and go home ( though working in hospital, you do bring the job home sometimes when you see others worse off than yourself ). Our travels are most usually leisure, though the miles do pile up. My wife and I travel like we work -- there's good days and bad, but in the end it's a journey worth taking and we try to do our best -- and we sometimes succeed.

It does indeed get tough for those who necessarily travel to make a living. Time away from family, flight delays, crowded cabins, somtimes bothersome fellow travelers, and meals gulped on the run do indeed wear one down at times.

But it's still a journey.

Safe travels to all.

Barry
 
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