A pilot does...

[USCREW]

... I would think the landing is more important than the takeoff, lol!

True. Many landings require us to wear support undergarments followed by several fine mechanics to put all the oxygen masks back-up.

 

[delldude]

Mechanics are authorized to taxi an airplane, I would think the landing is more important than the takeoff, lol!

Yeah,they can hi-speed taxi too...hell a little pullback on the stick and bingo...you're a pilot

 

[USCREW]

Yeah,they can hi-speed taxi too...hell a little pullback on the stick and bingo...you're a pilot

I want a blow-up pilot doll! The things I could do with that! h34r:

 

[A320 Driver]

You sign off the book for special procedures due to an MEL.

And you can enter a verbal MEL from Maintenance Control, and when it gets to the mtc station AMTs sticker the book and sign off the MEL.

You do not sign off nor are authorized to repair an airplane, sign the repair off, sign the jobcard and stamp it(you are not issued stamps) nor sign off and fill out the 8130.

No pilot repairs an airplane at US Airways, no pilot works in the hangar overhauling an airplane, never seen a pilot at the line hangar fixing a plane either.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

I never said pilots did repairs...only logbook entries for MELs and on certain MELs pilots are authorized by the MEL to perform the listed Maintenance Actions.

Your trying to weasel out of your statement that pilots don't make logbook entries...they do.


A320 Driver B)

 

[700UW]

Are yout that ignorant?

I have never said a pilot does not sign off a book, I said he does not repair nor sign off repairs, jobcard or an 8130.

I guess you have a comprehension problem.

This is the original statement I was refering too.

You think the pilots name is not on a repair? Your ignorance of FAA regulations is pretty skimpy, but probably reflects the ignorance I see here.

A pilot's name is not on the repair, the AMT fixes the plane and signs off the book, not the pilot. The pilot makes the write up, the AMT fixes it or MELs it.

 

[BoeingBoy]

The problem, 700UW, is that you often make overly broad statements that are demonstrably false, then have to backtrack to "prove" that you were right. "You all make six figures" and pilots can't "sign off a logbook" are but just two examples.

Would you like the FAR references for circumstances where pilots can sign off a logbook? In fact, there are very specific instances where every mechanic in the hanger can sign off the work but the airplane isn't considered airworthy for passenger operations until a pilot makes a logbook entry.

None of that is meant to lessen the importance of the mechanic's role in any way. This or any airline wouldn't operate without all the various employee groups. None are more important than any other.

Jim

 

[700UW]

Jim,

Yes my statement was broad, yes the pilots sign off the test flight if required, if you read the top page of the logbook, the mechanic signs off the airworthiness statement.

Every US Airways Airplane must be seen and signed off everyday for airworthiness or a scheduled line check, A or B.

My statement should be been narrower as the pilots do not sign off a repair made, part replaced and 8130 tag, nor do they stamp and sign off a job card if required for the repair. Nor do they fix the plane.

Is that better?

They can sign off a verbal MEL then plane must be MELed by a Mechanic at its next visit to where US staffs mechanics and they can sign off any special procedure(s) required due to an MEL, but they cannot place an MEL sticker on the book and sign that off nor any repairs made.

 

[A320 Driver]

B) A320 Driver

 

[700UW]

Such maturity, NOT!

 

[BoeingBoy]

That's better.....

FWIW, pilots (note the general usage of the word) sign off maintenance performed every day and it's specifically allowed by the FAR's.

As for test flights, that airworthiness statement can be signed six ways to Sunday, but the airplane can't go into revenue service until a pilot signs off on the test flight - only then does the FAA consider the airplane truly airworthy.

Finally, per the FAR's, the pilot-in-command is ultimately responsible for the airworthiness of the airplane. Doesn't matter how many mechanics have signed the logbook, the PIC is on the hook just as much as the mechanic.

I'd say that the routine acceptance of a mechanic's signoff is in fact a testament to the faith pilot's have in the machanic's abilities. If only that could always be a two way street.....

Jim

 

[delldude]

Sign ze papers olt man...sign ze papers! :angry:

 

[VOR]

Just curious ... what line of work are you in that gives you that flexibility?

2B

I done lots of things in the industry but now I'm one of those "nasty" consultants.

 

[2BorNot2B]

I done lots of things in the industry but now I'm one of those "nasty" consultants.

...then yes indeed, you are flexible! That must be a nice job, and I mean that seriously!

Thanks for the reply!

2B

 

[2BorNot2B]

See Name....Or do you need help?
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Retired and screwed eh?

Pissed because your 'brothers' threw you under the bus as well.

Ahhh,..yes! What's in a name? On these forums one can use whatever name one desires .... so I read little into what I see. "tech" is not very specific ... but UAL is! So what'cha doing over here "stirring the pot", when there is so much going on at UAL?? Just curious ... no offense intended!

"Retired and Screwed"??? Well, not to much lately ..... not like the "Good Ole' Days"!!!!

"Pissed"? .... yeah, more frequently now! Hope it's not a Prostrate problem!

2B

 

[Atlantic]

Two very good posts Jim. Moreover, to the point.