USCREW
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True. Many landings require us to wear support undergarments followed by several fine mechanics to put all the oxygen masks back-up.
A pilot does...
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Yeah,they can hi-speed taxi too...hell a little pullback on the stick and bingo...you're a pilot
USCREW
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I want a blow-up pilot doll! The things I could do with that!Yeah,they can hi-speed taxi too...hell a little pullback on the stick and bingo...you're a pilot
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I never said pilots did repairs...only logbook entries for MELs and on certain MELs pilots are authorized by the MEL to perform the listed Maintenance Actions.
Your trying to weasel out of your statement that pilots don't make logbook entries...they do.
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Are yout that ignorant?
I have never said a pilot does not sign off a book, I said he does not repair nor sign off repairs, jobcard or an 8130.
I guess you have a comprehension problem.
This is the original statement I was refering too.
A pilot's name is not on the repair, the AMT fixes the plane and signs off the book, not the pilot. The pilot makes the write up, the AMT fixes it or MELs it.
I have never said a pilot does not sign off a book, I said he does not repair nor sign off repairs, jobcard or an 8130.
I guess you have a comprehension problem.
This is the original statement I was refering too.
A pilot's name is not on the repair, the AMT fixes the plane and signs off the book, not the pilot. The pilot makes the write up, the AMT fixes it or MELs it.
BoeingBoy
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The problem, 700UW, is that you often make overly broad statements that are demonstrably false, then have to backtrack to "prove" that you were right. "You all make six figures" and pilots can't "sign off a logbook" are but just two examples.
Would you like the FAR references for circumstances where pilots can sign off a logbook? In fact, there are very specific instances where every mechanic in the hanger can sign off the work but the airplane isn't considered airworthy for passenger operations until a pilot makes a logbook entry.
None of that is meant to lessen the importance of the mechanic's role in any way. This or any airline wouldn't operate without all the various employee groups. None are more important than any other.
Jim
Would you like the FAR references for circumstances where pilots can sign off a logbook? In fact, there are very specific instances where every mechanic in the hanger can sign off the work but the airplane isn't considered airworthy for passenger operations until a pilot makes a logbook entry.
None of that is meant to lessen the importance of the mechanic's role in any way. This or any airline wouldn't operate without all the various employee groups. None are more important than any other.
Jim
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Jim,
Yes my statement was broad, yes the pilots sign off the test flight if required, if you read the top page of the logbook, the mechanic signs off the airworthiness statement.
Every US Airways Airplane must be seen and signed off everyday for airworthiness or a scheduled line check, A or B.
My statement should be been narrower as the pilots do not sign off a repair made, part replaced and 8130 tag, nor do they stamp and sign off a job card if required for the repair. Nor do they fix the plane.
Is that better?
They can sign off a verbal MEL then plane must be MELed by a Mechanic at its next visit to where US staffs mechanics and they can sign off any special procedure(s) required due to an MEL, but they cannot place an MEL sticker on the book and sign that off nor any repairs made.
Yes my statement was broad, yes the pilots sign off the test flight if required, if you read the top page of the logbook, the mechanic signs off the airworthiness statement.
Every US Airways Airplane must be seen and signed off everyday for airworthiness or a scheduled line check, A or B.
My statement should be been narrower as the pilots do not sign off a repair made, part replaced and 8130 tag, nor do they stamp and sign off a job card if required for the repair. Nor do they fix the plane.
Is that better?
They can sign off a verbal MEL then plane must be MELed by a Mechanic at its next visit to where US staffs mechanics and they can sign off any special procedure(s) required due to an MEL, but they cannot place an MEL sticker on the book and sign that off nor any repairs made.
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That's better.....
FWIW, pilots (note the general usage of the word) sign off maintenance performed every day and it's specifically allowed by the FAR's.
As for test flights, that airworthiness statement can be signed six ways to Sunday, but the airplane can't go into revenue service until a pilot signs off on the test flight - only then does the FAA consider the airplane truly airworthy.
Finally, per the FAR's, the pilot-in-command is ultimately responsible for the airworthiness of the airplane. Doesn't matter how many mechanics have signed the logbook, the PIC is on the hook just as much as the mechanic.
I'd say that the routine acceptance of a mechanic's signoff is in fact a testament to the faith pilot's have in the machanic's abilities. If only that could always be a two way street.....
Jim
FWIW, pilots (note the general usage of the word) sign off maintenance performed every day and it's specifically allowed by the FAR's.
As for test flights, that airworthiness statement can be signed six ways to Sunday, but the airplane can't go into revenue service until a pilot signs off on the test flight - only then does the FAA consider the airplane truly airworthy.
Finally, per the FAR's, the pilot-in-command is ultimately responsible for the airworthiness of the airplane. Doesn't matter how many mechanics have signed the logbook, the PIC is on the hook just as much as the mechanic.
I'd say that the routine acceptance of a mechanic's signoff is in fact a testament to the faith pilot's have in the machanic's abilities. If only that could always be a two way street.....
Jim
I done lots of things in the industry but now I'm one of those "nasty" consultants.
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See Name....Or do you need help?
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Retired and screwed eh?
Pissed because your 'brothers'
Ahhh,..yes! What's in a name? On these forums one can use whatever name one desires .... so I read little into what I see. "tech" is not very specific ... but UAL is! So what'cha doing over here "stirring the pot", when there is so much going on at UAL?? Just curious ... no offense intended!
"Retired and Screwed"??? Well, not to much lately ..... not like the "Good Ole' Days"!!!!
"Pissed"? .... yeah, more frequently now! Hope it's not a Prostrate problem!
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