Why don't they schedule their praying around their flights? Most airports have a chapel or private areas where they can lay down their mats and do their thing. I have to admit that it annoys me that their religious actions trump nativity scenes, the posting of the Ten Commandments and prayer before sporting events as I have to be so accepting of their religious actions but they have absolutely no tolerance of mine.
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I agree completely.
Far too much irrational (even delusional) paranoia masquerading as vigilance among front-line airline employees, IMO. Vigilance = good. Delusional paranoia = bad.
The bad guys may someday pull off a repeat of September 11 (I hope to god they don't succeed); that the plot will be foiled by detaining muslim clerics who act "suspiciously" and draw the attention of paranoid passengers, FAs and pilots is laughable. As ClueByFour said - don't mistake pragmatism for political correctness.
And I can certainly recognize delusional paranoia when I see it - even when it's accompanied by claims that "the world has changed" and "we're just being vigilant."
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The prayers are done by millions of Muslims around the world at a specific time three times a day.
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And we supposed to bow down to their rituals? Gosh where is separation of church and airline when you need it.
No, you're supposed to be smart enough to not mistake prayer for terrorist behavior - no need to bow down. B)
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It appears the crew fully followed procedure. The authorities, not the airline, detained the men. The only flaw I see with what happened, as far as LCC is concerned, is denying future travel after the men had been released by the authorities.
As I said early on in the thread, had the men prayed quietly in their seats, or quietly in the terminal, none of this would have happened.
BTW, why did they (reportedly) all want seatbelt extensions if they were not passengers-of-size? I can think of two ways that they potentially could be used for purposes other then for which they are intended.
One last thing. What uproar would have occurred had the crew not paid attention to the customer's note? Think about that....
As I said early on in the thread, had the men prayed quietly in their seats, or quietly in the terminal, none of this would have happened.
BTW, why did they (reportedly) all want seatbelt extensions if they were not passengers-of-size? I can think of two ways that they potentially could be used for purposes other then for which they are intended.
One last thing. What uproar would have occurred had the crew not paid attention to the customer's note? Think about that....
I guess we ought to put you in charge of figuring out who is and isn't a threat. You seem to be superior in the judgement department. In fact, I've seen a solid number of people here who seem apt at judging, or not judging, who could or could not be a threat to our jets.
You are absolutely expert at judging paranoia. You read the news clips, believe each one you read and figure out how all those folks who collaborated and made a decision are just paraniod, judgemental, delusional, irrational and closet nazis. Yep, you got it figured out. Good for you.
Now hows about sharing your expertise on what we should be looking for without offending anyone or any group.
Give us the guidlines. Tell us what we SHOULD DO. Not what we shouldn't.
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Ok, so the next time I see a nice family praying in public before eatting, they won't mind if I tell them to cut the crap...seperation. See how silly that is? Bowing to the East and praying has been well documented on television news shows enough times to have a wee bit of knowledge what these men were doing. It is as much apart of their religious culture AS the American Christian family bowing their heads for the blessing.
Thanks for the correction.
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Sorry I don't see the connection between praying before eating and making people nervous while boarding and on an aircraft by your actions.
You always know the point is lost when you go after the poster and/or go with the Nazi card.
The record so far is a big fat zero. Just how many jihadist plotting terror against an airline has the TSA caught?
Its sad to see people who still believe they can spot a terrorist. That they will just know.
I am amazed at the number of people who believe they will know the terrorist because it will be an Arab man wearing a keffiyeh running up the aisle. Rather more likely a nicely dressed person who needs a glass of water or who just simply is heading to the toilet. Since most FA's never look up from this weeks people magazine, they will never know what is happening until its over.
What should we do? Just what CLUE said earlier. Its sad to see we scan luggage and not mail or freight. We scan carryons and the people with them half as well as the luggage in the hold.
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How many plots have been prevented from them just being there? You will never know
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Nice generalization.
Sad in this day and age and the easy free flow and access to information that something as simple as a prayer would cause people to fear someone else. That would cause people to over react to something as innocent as a prayer of thanks for life or food.
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