2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Phoenix]

The post was in response to Nic4US. You are acting paranoid.

 

[cactusboy53]

9 years of Army of Liars promises and no Nic. The only success the Push For Justice has had takes place in the mens room.

 
ONE PROMISE:  Leonidas, LLC was created in August of 2007 to safeguard the legal rights of the former America West pilots in the face of the multiple threats before them at that time.
 
Cleary.....oops, sorry....Clear?  Need a picture?  Need to buy a clue?  Need a piece of your soul back?  Need integrity?

 

[cactusboy53]

And if you really think about it, that is money that you already paid in to USAPA. Let's see 8 years at 2k per year = 16k. So look at it this way your total costs for no nic is only $12,400 per pilot.
Not bad nic less, and by the way, Marty says thanks.

 

• What seniority list was delivered to the company?                                                                 The Nicolau List
• What is the ONLY seniority list was accepted by the company?                                             The Nicolau List
• What list has the federal courts said should be the list, baring a DFR?                                 The Nicolau List
• What list did the AASPIC argue as the starting point for LUS?                                               The Nicolau List

It sound to me like the Nicolau List is ALIVE AND WELL for the time being.
 
BTW....we say THANKS to Marty & his team EVERY SINGLE TIME WE SEE THEM.  What do you say to your lawyers?

 

[cactusboy53]

So the west is starting to gloat about winning a sttlement... since there are as yet no real confirmations of the details, my guess is we soon find out it's another west premature elation.

Does anyone find it ironic that AOL was always unable to negotiate.. until they were able to negotiate?

And AOL is STILL advising everyone out west to CONTINUE their automatic push for justice contributions... (Read it for yourself on catpilot.com)

Really? They "win" but are told to keep their monthly donations going? Really?

 

• What exactly are we to "negotiate"?  If you are referring to the Nicolau Seniority List, that is the PRODUCT of a MUTUALLY AGREED UPON PROCESS.  Under what authority does one party negotiate AWAY from the PRODUCT of a MUTUALLY AGREED UPON PROCESS just because the other party says "IT'S NOT FAIR"?  Is there a "fairness" measure/ barometer that somehow magically rings a bell when you believe you've not been mystically cheated?
• Of course we are asking our fine, upstanding group to CONTINUE to contribute.  Freedom isn't FREE, and neither is JUSTICE.  Our STELLAR legal team is worth EVERY SINGLE DIME THAT WE'VE PAID THEM.  I'll bet you can claim the same, right?
• It's a step in the right direction, but the AWA pilots will NEVER be made whole from the path that you have FORCED us down.  The only winner in that path has been US Airways.  They pocketed every single dollar that you willingly gave up in the attempt to evade your word and responsibility.

LUS VP Paul Jones said it best:
 
“Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute and jeopardizing the enforceability of the agreement the parties are able to reach. …….The arbitrator’s decision was to be final and binding on both pilot groups and was to be accepted by the Company so long as certain conditions were met.  The Nicolau Award has resulted in four years of litigation including a trial in federal court and jury verdict fining USAPA’s proposal for a non-Nicolau list to constitute an unlawful breach of the union’s duty of fair representation….”
 
Paul D. Jones; Vice President – Legal Affairs and Chief Compliance Officer

Exhibit 1 of  Declaration of Counsel; Case 13-15000, 02/20/2013

 

[Pi brat]

And thank you for the $5.5M, it really makes a difference for us out west because our litigation expenses were about $2.5M total. 

So in official filings with the court AOL lied about it's expenses. Got it. I'm shocked.

 

[nevergiveup]

The west kids are so clueless......

 

[cactusboy53]

So in official filings with the court AOL lied about it's expenses. Got it. I'm shocked.

 
??  What kind of an accusation is that?  Proof?  Documentation?  Just WAG (as usual)---now I'm shocked (not).

 

[Pi brat]

 
??  What kind of an accusation is that?  Proof?  Documentation?  Just WAG (as usual)---now I'm shocked (not).

How much was AOL asking for in costs? I'm sure it's right there with your other quotes.

 

[cactusboy53]

The west kids are so clueless......

 
Yea...clueless.  That's us, alright. 
 

• Knock, knock.
• Who's there?
• ARBITRATION RESULT!
• Arbitration Result, who?
• [SIZE=12pt]"No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts..."  [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Mike Cleary[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

How much was AOL asking for in costs? I'm sure it's right there with your other quotes.

 
Maybe you should read those filings FIRST, and then read the agreement (when it comes out) SECOND so you can understand the dynamics.  Just a thought, before you open your pie hole.

 

[Pi brat]

 
Maybe you should read those filings FIRST, and then read the agreement (when it comes out) SECOND so you can understand the dynamics.  Just a thought, before you open your pie hole.

I remembered that AOL asked for more that chilless said. Was I wrong? If so, it's a simple question and you could answer it very quickly. Show me the filing and if I'm wrong, I'll admit it.

 

[nevergiveup]

 
 
Yea...clueless.  That's us, alright. 
 

• Knock, knock.
• Who's there?
• ARBITRATION RESULT!
• Arbitration Result, who?
• [SIZE=12pt]"No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts..."  [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Mike Cleary[/SIZE]

 

 
Sigh........see what I mean!

 

[Pi brat]

CB? You've got to have it, right? You have Jones' at your fingertips at all times. Standing by to be wrong.

 

[cactusboy53]

I remembered that AOL asked for more that chilless said. Was I wrong? If so, it's a simple question and you could answer it very quickly. Show me the filing and if I'm wrong, I'll admit it.

 
Pretty simple to look up, but we'll HELP YOU FIND THE DOCUMENTATION (again - just like we ALWAYS have to).
 
Go to www.cactuspilot.com.  Left side for the TONS of litigation that we were FORCED to do to DEFEND ourselves.  DFR3 West v. USAPA > Document 342 (dated 12/2/15) >
 
"Plaintiffs seek an award of $3,593,065.35 in attorneys fees and non-taxable costs..."

 

[cactusboy53]

CB? You've got to have it, right? You have Jones' at your fingertips at all times. Standing by to be wrong.

 
I do have it right.  I simply READ the various court documents and take bits & pieces IN CONTEXT to school you in what the courts & others "in the know" seem to understand.  Here's another little cherry:
 
[SIZE=12pt]“Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so.  By discarding the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012[/SIZE]