2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Pi brat]

 
 
I do have it right.  I simply READ the various court documents and take bits & pieces IN CONTEXT to school you in what the courts & others "in the know" seem to understand.  Here's another little cherry:
 
[SIZE=12pt]“Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so.  By discarding the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012[/SIZE]
 
 

 

Hey AW, that's the number I came up with!
 
"And thank you for the $5.5M, it really makes a difference for us out west because our litigation expenses were about $2.5M total."
 
See my confusion? AW.

 

[prechilill]

Yea...clueless.  That's us, alright. 
 

• Knock, knock.
• Who's there?
• ARBITRATION RESULT!
• Arbitration Result, who?
• "No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts..."  Mike Cleary

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

NICE ONE!!!

Don't gloat, CB- we've lost. Remember? USAPA has won on all fronts and we are going to have to settle for our Group 2 and 4 captain bids next year. Yep! Every time I deposit my money into my bank account I'll remind myself that I lost, that east has won everything.

 

[Pi brat]

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

NICE ONE!!!

Don't gloat, CB- we've lost. Remember? USAPA has won on all fronts and we are going to have to settle for our Group 2 and 4 captain bids next year. Yep! Every time I deposit my money into my bank account I'll remind myself that I lost, that east has won everything.

"Ho, Ho, Ho..." Oh wait, that's from a while back. What are you bidding today darling?
 
How much did you spend again?

 

[Pi brat]

CB?

 

[cactusboy53]

Hey AW, that's the number I came up with!
 
"And thank you for the $5.5M, it really makes a difference for us out west because our litigation expenses were about $2.5M total."
 
See my confusion? AW.

 
Dude....SERIOUSLY? 
 
www.cactuspilot.com > FRONT PAGE > "Leonidas Update for February 15, 2016" > "Today we reached a Global Settlement with USAPA and the individual defendants in all outstanding litigation between East and West pilots. (Attached) We are pleased with the agreement and believe it represents the best, most realistic, and timely outcome possible for all parties. It is the result of intense mediated negotiations over the last several weeks." ......(BTW the Attached actually leads you to the agreement).
 
READ the ATTACHED document.  It's in there, and explains to the reader what the GLOBAL SETTLEMENT means.

 

[cactusboy53]

CB?

 
Look Pi;
We know that you think you've done nothing wrong.  We know that you think we are wrong.  We know that you think you've successfully evaded the Nic.  We know that you utterly and completely hate the fact that we KILLED Date of Hire, were allowed to rightfully get a seat at the LUS/LAA SLI table, and were able to defend our position to the BOA.
 
Here's the deal:  The www.cactuspilot.com website has ALL of the litigation that we've been forced to do in our attempt to defend ourselves.  With that said, there are NO fabricated documents there.  ALL of the unabridged court documents are there for you to read, research, and study to your heart's content.
 
If you just can't bring yourself to do so for your own educational need, I guess we can lead you right to the truth & reference so that you may fully understand the BIG PICTURE.
 
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER (I'm doing that this very minute by participating on our Telephonic Town Hall )

 

[Pi brat]

CB, you're an idiot. Not as bad as pre, but still an idiot.

 

[cactusboy53]

CB, you're an idiot. Not as bad as pre, but still an idiot.

 
So......YOU can't research YOUR OWN QUESTIONS, I look up the reference FOR YOU.....and I'm the idiot?  Maybe I'm just a moron, and you're the idiot...:
 
It's true — there's a difference. The three terms didn't start out as social insults either, in fact. In the early 1900s, psychologists used the terms to describe various levels of retardation. Those with an IQ of 0 to 25 (an IQ of 100 is average) were called idiots, 26 to 50 were called imbeciles and 51 to 70 were called morons. Morons could communicate and learn common tasks; imbeciles stalled mentally at about six years old; and idiots couldn't respond to stimulus or communicate with any level of competency.

 

[Pi brat]

No moron, I already had the relevant filing pulled up from cactus pilot.com.

Go back and read the question.

 

[FL430]

CB, you're an idiot. Not as bad as pre, but still an idiot.

He is trying desperately to get the nic windfall that was gifted to him. He is a 57 year old junior copilot for a third tier airline that pilots went to when they couldn't get hired anywhere else. A scab laden collection of misfits and imbeciles that lie to the FBI, tell the CEO they want to turn in other pilots, and want to usurp a 17 year veteran pilot behind a new hire. They will get exactly what they brought to this merger; a stagnant low yield hub, pos wore out aircraft, and no potential for advancement in pay or position.

Now the new B of A might be swayed a little had the judges actually awarded them the nic or the billions in damages that were solicited. Additionally, they might be swayed by the powerhouse hub that PHX has become with massive growth, new route announcements, and even the massive influx of new aircraft deliveries there, and let's not forget the transfer of A330 and A350 flying going there. Yea, that's it.

I have yet to hear one of them explain how the arbitrators are going to explain the fairness in advancing the west against the positions of the 10000 legacy AA pilots. What they have is an arbitration award going on 9 years stale that required a CBA to institute. Scott Kirby deemed the award a lottery ticket that the west couldn't cash.

Oh and whatever happened to the threats from the west that the USAPA officers were going to be doing jail time and filing for bankruptcy. Drama queens much?

 

[Pi brat]

And thank you for the $5.5M, it really makes a difference for us out west because our litigation expenses were about $2.5M total. 

 

[cactusboy53]

How much was AOL asking for in costs? I'm sure it's right there with your other quotes.

Asked and ANSWERED moron: $3.5 Million in Judge Silver's court.

 

[cactusboy53]

And thank you for the $5.5M, it really makes a difference for us out west because our litigation expenses were about $2.5M total.

Maybe it was a typo? $3.5M.... $2.5M. I quoted DIRECTLY from Marty's BRILLIANT filing.

 

[Phoenix]

How appropriate.. The "one man army" has a "one eyed" avatar.

 

[cactusboy53]

Ohhhhh. Good one Scotty!