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nycbusdriver
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PullUp said:
How will the system ever stand the loss of the ASMs?
I guess AA needs to steel themselves for a $6,999,000.000 profit this year instead of $7 billion. So sad.
WAIT! Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus! We call it insurance!
nevergiveup
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A west pilot could have held up the nose while another drove a pickup truck under it and pulled out the gear!
nycbusdriver
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I too am pleased with the process so far. Like the MOU states, three seniority lists, snapshot at Dec 2013 and adherence to MB. NIC or nothing kind of reminds me of DOH or nothing. We all know what came of that, I suspect you will not be any more successful than ALPO was.CactusPilot1 said:
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After comments from arbitrator Javits I am very pleased with your progress. Leonidas as well as noted in a recent update:Zone5 said:
The USAPA approach, in a nutshell, was best characterized by Arbitrator Javits during the Preliminary Arbitration when he asked this of USAPA Merger Committee Chairman Jess Pauley:
"I guess the gravamen of the questions is are you then putting yourself in the place of Nicolau, are you the new Nicolau because you are proposing a list which may not reflect Nicolau's list?"
From the Leonidas update:
In short, it is our job to propose a fair and equitable solution, and as Judge Silver stated, [a]n impartial arbitrator's decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result.
It appears the court and arbitrators are on the same page. Bad news for USAPA LLC.
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Metroyet said:
Never a "word of it", ehh? Somebody on the West agreed to the words that allowed them to petition for a committee...
If a West Pilot were to object to the particular members of the "West Merger Committee" then i would understand, because none of them were elected by any means whatsoever. Additionally, their obligations to those they purport to represent are indeed dubious at best. Not only did the West pilots have no say in the selection of their "West Merger Committee" "Representatives" the West pilots also have absolutely no recourse should they object to anything the "representatives" allegedly do on their behalf. The West Pilots at large have no means to select or object to who represents them, and no means to suggest or alter how they are represented.
Never the less, those who sit as members of a "merger committee" (even the "West Merger Committee") are indeed subject to the contractual obligations and rights of the Protocol Agreement. Its quite silly to suggest otherwise.
Metroyet
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Jesus are you guys illiterate? The APA petitioned for the mini arb. Not the west. There was no recognized west merger group BEFORE THE MINI ARB...Phoenix said:Never a "word of it", ehh? Somebody on the West agreed to the words that allowed them to petition for a committee...
If a West Pilot were to object to the particular members of the "West Merger Committee" then i would understand, because none of them were elected by any means whatsoever. Additionally, their obligations to those they purport to represent are indeed dubious at best. Not only did the West pilots have no say in the selection of their "West Merger Committee" "Representatives" the West pilots also have absolutely no recourse should they object to anything the "representatives" allegedly do on their behalf. The West Pilots at large have no means to select or object to who represents them, and no means to suggest or alter how they are represented.
Never the less, those who sit as members of a "merger committee" (even the "West Merger Committee") are indeed subject to the contractual obligations and rights of the Protocol Agreement. Its quite silly to suggest otherwise.
The West was not a party to the protocol agreement in any way, shape,form, or idea.
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Well, being the Nic award came out in 2007, I imagine that's the "snapshot" date for us air pilots being its the only "hereby" accepted list generated by due process that exists on the property...the same property with ONE operating certificate, ONE stock symbol, and ONE Management team. The updated nic with the APA could easily be from 2013...what you're suggesting is the same old USCABA line of regurgitated, half truthed obfuscation and delusional bullshlt that only you desperate hopefulls hope is reality.Zone5 said:
Maybe you should find another useless non profit to worship...USTUPID has run its course and cost you dearly.
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And lacking the ONE thing that was required to put it in effect. A joint contract per the Transition Agreement. The NIC is just paper. Good for lighting a fire or wipeing your butt. And your committee had to agree to abide by the terms of the Protocol agreement the same as APA and the USAPA merger committee did. What, by ANY stretch of the imagination, makes you think AOL gets a pass on the very document that defines the process?
So bring your NIC while the other two parties bring proposals similar in form to the one that two of the three arbitrators on that panel just used to merge United and Continental and see how much traction you get.
Before this year is out or shortly after, you will be told to pound same or whatever else you can get your fist around and you will be merged using slotting by equipment with a longevity credit.
Enjoy...
So bring your NIC while the other two parties bring proposals similar in form to the one that two of the three arbitrators on that panel just used to merge United and Continental and see how much traction you get.
Before this year is out or shortly after, you will be told to pound same or whatever else you can get your fist around and you will be merged using slotting by equipment with a longevity credit.
Enjoy...
nycbusdriver
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Metroyet said:
Sure. Ok.
The west MC will show that the abbreviation, in their case, is either "Merger Committee" or "Moron Committee." (I am betting on the latter, BTW.)
Each committee OF THE THREE needs to submit its certified list as of December, 2013. When the west Moron Committee submits the Nicolau abomination, the arbitration panel will move through the list pilot-by-pilot, and when they get to #1 on that list, Mike Tyson, they will notice that Captain Tyson was never an AWA pilot. The arbitrators will, at that point, reject the list as being innaccurate, question the Moron Committee on what they think "certified" means, send them to their rooms without supper, and tell them to grow up.
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