2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Phoenix]

Actually, I'm looking forward to the Westies having to say "American 123, USAirways livery" on the radio! Oh the horror, the inhumanity........it will be great to see the Catus back in the desert where it belongs!
seajay

You guys are on a roll.

 

[nycbusdriver]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nJjMPHhuoXQ

 
"Cactus"?

 

[AWE Dog]

[quote name="EastCheats" post="1148592" timestamp="1423410610
I think Phoenix is ready for a change for the better [/quote] I think change is coming to Phoenix, but for the better will be a matter of opinion.

 

[EastCheats]

I think change is coming to Phoenix, but for the better will be a matter of opinion.

Who's opinion? Yours?

Change may come to other bases as well

THE NICOLAU AWARD

Many of you rightfully are bit fuzzy as to the status of the Nicolau Award after the latest iteration of court battles and arbitrations, and have asked us to explain how the Nicolau Award might become part of the new American Airlines seniority list.

During the SLI process ahead of us, each of the three merger committees (AA, East, and West) will likely present different ideas of how the final American Airlines seniority list should be integrated. Ultimately, it will be up to a panel of three highly-seasoned arbitrators to determine which portion(s) (if any) of each proposal meet the fair and equitable standard as they attempt to craft their award. An important part of this process will be determining the relative ordering of East and West pilots into that final American Airlines seniority list, and of course, it is for that reason APA established (and American supported) separate East and West committees for this process. Both the East and West committees will present their views as to the relative ordering of the East and West pilots, and it will be up to the arbitration panel to decide how that should be done.

Our position is simple. The pre-merger stand-alone career expectations of America West and US Airways pilots were set and measured in May 2005 when the merger of those two airlines was announced. From that point on, we began working for a new airline (LCC) with new career expectations, and agreed to equitably divide the benefits of our new airline according to a well-recognized, fair and equitable seniority integration process. Both pilot groups participated in the process in good faith and without a single objection to any part of the process itself. The process ended with a result, and that result remains the ONLY combined East/West seniority list ever reached by mutual East/West agreement, and it is the ONLY combined East/West seniority list ever accepted by US Airways. That seniority list, the Nicolau Award, can therefore be the ONLY fair and equitable basis for integrating US Airways pilots with American Airlines pilots. The fact that it was never implemented is of no moment; it reflected the balancing of pre-merger stand-alone career expectations of the two pilot groups then and it still does today.

 

[nevergiveup]

Who's opinion? Yours?

Change may come to other bases as well

THE NICOLAU AWARD

Many of you rightfully are bit fuzzy as to the status of the Nicolau Award after the latest iteration of court battles and arbitrations, and have asked us to explain how the Nicolau Award might become part of the new American Airlines seniority list.

During the SLI process ahead of us, each of the three merger committees (AA, East, and West) will likely present different ideas of how the final American Airlines seniority list should be integrated. Ultimately, it will be up to a panel of three highly-seasoned arbitrators to determine which portion(s) (if any) of each proposal meet the fair and equitable standard as they attempt to craft their award. An important part of this process will be determining the relative ordering of East and West pilots into that final American Airlines seniority list, and of course, it is for that reason APA established (and American supported) separate East and West committees for this process. Both the East and West committees will present their views as to the relative ordering of the East and West pilots, and it will be up to the arbitration panel to decide how that should be done.

Our position is simple. The pre-merger stand-alone career expectations of America West and US Airways pilots were set and measured in May 2005 when the merger of those two airlines was announced. From that point on, we began working for a new airline (LCC) with new career expectations, and agreed to equitably divide the benefits of our new airline according to a well-recognized, fair and equitable seniority integration process. Both pilot groups participated in the process in good faith and without a single objection to any part of the process itself. The process ended with a result, and that result remains the ONLY combined East/West seniority list ever reached by mutual East/West agreement, and it is the ONLY combined East/West seniority list ever accepted by US Airways. That seniority list, the Nicolau Award, can therefore be the ONLY fair and equitable basis for integrating US Airways pilots with American Airlines pilots. The fact that it was never implemented is of no moment; it reflected the balancing of pre-merger stand-alone career expectations of the two pilot groups then and it still does today.

Still dancing in the streets of Phoenix! The fact that is was never able to be legally used is a mute point.

 

[PullUp]

The Nic list was voted away by 94% of the westies in the MOU vote.
The east/west merger was never consummated: ask anyone on Wall Street watching the AA-US merger unfold.
And doesn't the MOU also state that the three lists will be integrated?
I'll be glad when this is put to bed.
Cheers.

 

[CactusPilot1]

The Nic list was voted away by 94% of the westies in the MOU vote.
The east/west merger was never consummated: ask anyone on Wall Street watching the AA-US merger unfold.
And doesn't the MOU also state that the three lists will be integrated?
I'll be glad when this is put to bed.
Cheers.

94% of the Westies voted for the MOU knowing that the APA would be the bargaining representative. 94% of Westies voted for a fresh start with American.

100% know that there is West Merger Committe and that committee intends on presenting the Nicolau list to the panel.

Cheers

 

[EastUS1]

....Do us all a favor and retire early. We don't need people like you on this property.

 
No worries kid. When this "Brave New World" of yours eventually has it's time, IF the Lord somehow see's fit to indulge your childish fantasies of a guaranteed future somehow, and neither your entirely unwarranted and wholly unsupportable arrogance and astounding stupidity ever actually kill you per Darwinian principles, well, one can reasonably expect that many of your almost unimaginably sorry sorts ("We") will show equal enthusiasm and "respect" for all "you'se" umm..."accomplishments" some day.
 
While personally having near nothing of seriously similar sort to offer him; among my fondest memories of conversations with passengers ever came about a few years back, when, while exiting the aircraft to change planes, I had the privelege of speaking with a gentlemen who'd been aboard. He had been with the Mighty Eighth in the darker times of '44 as a B17 Pilot...and yet, against all the odds, lived. My insignificant experiences properly paled, to say the least, and I was extremely proud "just" to shake that Man's hand. "You'se" actual mileage would likely vary, given that he wasn't "even" an AWA "spartan"...."Yous'e" new breed of umm..."pilots" somehow, just plain fail to much impress.
 
Meanwhile?...While eagerly awaiting "you'se" Brave New World;  how 'bout just fetching the likes of nyc and myself some fresh coffees son.

 

[EastUS1]

94% of the Westies voted for the MOU knowing that the APA would be the bargaining representative.
 

 
Umm..So THAT was your "reasoned" and well "thought" out basis for blindly adopting the MOU?  Sigh....94% of the westies must then be either God's true "innocents", as applies to even beasts in the fields, or otherwise, just complete morons. "You'se" may choose as best currently suits any/all "spartan" fantasies.

 

[EastCheats]

How 'bout just fetching the likes of nyc and myself some fresh coffees son.

How bout kissing my ass.

 

[EastCheats]

94% of the Westies voted for the MOU knowing that the APA would be the bargaining representative. 94% of Westies voted for a fresh start with American.
100% know that there is West Merger Committe and that committee intends on presenting the Nicolau list to the panel.
Cheers

Yup

 

[EastUS1]

How bout kissing my ass.

 
How 'bout: Wager's always open little princess. Show both me and literally the whole world what ya' got on video...mighty "pylut"....?  PM if "you'se" ever grow a spine. Any 13 year old girl can "type tough", which seems "you'se" only actual "ability" here....?
 
Sigh...just another gutless/spineless/worthless little "spartan"....? Aren't "you'se" (at least supposedly) a "Pilot"? 
 
Ladies and Gentlemen; I give you all the apparently "Brave New World" of commercial aviation. "Mommy bought me my 'pylut's' license. My personal "abilities"/"courage" and sense of self comes solely from arbitrators and/or courts, and whenever at all personally challenged, well, sticking my tongue out; "Waah!...I want' my Mommy!"
 
P.S. Would "awarding" you a "trophy" just for "participating" help sway "you'se" at all kid?

 

[EastCheats]

How 'bout: Wager's always open little princess. Show both me and literally the whole world what ya' got...mighty "pylut"....?  PM if "you'se" ever grow a spine. Any 13 year old girl can "type tough", which seems "you'se" only actual "ability" here....?
 
Sigh...just another gutless/spineless/worthless little "spartan"....? Aren't "you'se" (at least supposedly) a "Pilot"? 
 
P.S. Would "awarding" you a "trophy" just for "participating" help sway "you'se" at all?

If you'd concentrate on flying rather than obsessing about your imaginary status of aviation superiority, you may have less bent metal and I would not have to look at certain reminders of poor airmanship such as the latest headline:

Another US Airways A330 (N273AY) was damaged yesterday morning (05FEB15) when it collided with the air bridge after arrival on stand at the end of US730 from CLT. It is reported that the pilots released brakes before the chocks were positioned allowing the aircraft to roll forward several meters before coming into contact with the air bridge. This is the second US Airways A330 to be put out of action in 2 months after the incident in CLT involving N788AY on 02DEC14.


http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6307549/

 

[EastUS1]

If you'd concentrate on flying ....

 
 
I'm all about that. In fact (gently assuming that "you'se" could actually read) I've just now, once again offered "you'se" a fully honorable chance to not only show off your "spartan" superiority, but indeed demolish a pathetic old eastie (for all the world to forever afterwards view on interenet video), so what' your personal problem/excuse with that ?...Pissant?...Umm...I meant "pilot"? Not-really-so-sure that Mommy bought me my license actually makes "you'se" a Pilot?...Or can ever?
 
Umm...Since you're of a generation that fantasizes that merely being born magically amounts to some sort of "accomplishment"; I'm serious about offering such as "you'se" self a "trophy" just for "participating", if that would really help at all....? I wouldn't ever even dare wish to see your pwecious self esteem threatened in any way, after all.
 
So; when are the coffees gonna' be ready punk?
 
PM for wager details and arrangements in the highly unlikely event that "you'se" ever evolve even any semblance of a spine.

 

[EastUS1]

.... Do us all a favor and retire early. We don't need people like you on this property.

 
Small wonder. I've no doubt that such as "you'se"/"We" would find great comfort in being supportively surrounded by nothing more challenging than equally mindless/spinelss little wimps like yourself.