2015 Pilot Discussion.

[EastCheats]

As to not wanting to disturb poster "eastcheats" chagrin about too many factual posts in a row, I will wait till tomorrow to post the Eichen Award regarding the west pilots ability, or actually inability to fly East aircraft, post US and AWA merger.

All that "information" is about as useful as listening to all the side effects on a prescription drug commercial. You must take notes....

 

[Claxon]

west pilots quiet on this board because the west can not offer their bs information without being held accountable for its accuracy on this forum.
 
But on other boards, we have a west pilot that is a stagnant f/o for 11 years and has had a garbage career calling the kettle black. 
 
Hey, WD, whats in your bid.  As bret butler tried to tell you way back, "if you ever want to fly a wide body in the next ten years you better apply at China Air", American pilots will seal that prediction. 
 
"He clearly is a very angry first officer that believes that the rest of the aviation profession should bow to his feet simply because he picked the wrong carrier to go to work for. Now every west pilot owns this clown a debt a of gratitude"
WD at AWA   (west pilot imploding on other web boards.)

 

[Claxon]

APA Pilots Update, February 05.
 

 

"Seniority List Integration Process
With the joint collective bargaining agreement behind us, many of you are turning your attention to the upcoming seniority list integration (SLI) timeline and process. The recently completed SLI pre-arbitration resulted in the designation of the West Pilots Merger Committee as a party to the SLI arbitration. The other parties will be the USAPA Merger Committee, the legacy American Airlines Pilots Merger Committee and American Airlines.
 
SLI arbitration is scheduled for June 29–July 2 and July 13–16. Additional dates in August, September and October are under discussion. A meeting of the attorneys for all parties is scheduled on March 6. The SLI protocol agreement stipulates "the Arbitration Board shall issue its final Award within six months of the commencement of the arbitration hearing, and in any event not later than December 9, 2015." This date may be amended by agreement of the parties.
 
The arbitration panel is made up of arbitrators Dana Eischen, Ira Jaffe and M. David Vaughn, and the arbitration will take place in Washington, D.C. APA will share details with you as they take shape over the next few months. Specifics of the arbitration are outlined in the protocol agreement signed by the parties and governing the process.+

Enjoy your Island for years to come west.

 

[Phoenix]

 
......but "you'se" have so, so much more to offer than just that degree of hopeless childishness:....
 
 

The "Youse" video is too easy.  Its not playing fair to pull that one out.   😀
 
Hey, where is the West "Push for Justice Committee" video? Oh, there they are... pulling instead pushing... The APA is in deeeeep trouble.   
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdDRioSW1JE

 

[Claxon]

Have the west pilots figured out yet that they played into the hands of the American Pilots yet?  No.  Most organizations allow you a seat at their house no matter where you go, it is called a toilet seat.  The west pilots celebrated their seat, like the nic, if it is too good to be true, it is.
 
The west, sticking with their legal CBA representative USAPA, would have had wide body, attrition, airplane orders and other snap shot 2013 protections
 
Now the west has what they brought to both mergers, not much.  

 

[CactusPilot1]

Have the west pilots figured out yet that they played into the hands of the American Pilots yet?  No.  Most organizations allow you a seat at their house no matter where you go, it is called a toilet seat.  The west pilots celebrated their seat, like the nic, if it is too good to be true, it is.
 
The west, sticking with their legal CBA representative USAPA, would have had wide body, attrition, airplane orders and other snap shot 2013 protections
 
Now the west has what they brought to both mergers, not much.

We figured it out. Best wishes, xoxo

CA King,

I had no statement to make other than to be sure that the position the committee representing the LAA pilots (as represented by CA Stephens) was independent of whatever position APA as its own entity took, because I had heard it first hand from CA Stephens. I have never had any reason to question CA Stephen's integrity and it sure didn't seem that would start now. I simply verified what I had heard.

Its unfortunate that you find that APA works behind your back. That may or may not be true.

I recall the days when APA was instrumental in the formation of USAPA as then VP Ames consulted with you and even brought you copies of our governing documents in order to help USAPA get started, once it was clear you were leaving ALPA.

I also recall CA Sullenberger told his story in the APA studio and was provided media training by APA. Those were days of cooperation.

If you feel that relationship has deteriorated, then take it up with the current leadership of APA.

Respectfully submitted,

-CA Rob Sproc

 

[EastCheats]

We figured it out. Best wishes, xoxo
CA King,
I had no statement to make other than to be sure that the position the committee representing the LAA pilots (as represented by CA Stephens) was independent of whatever position APA as its own entity took, because I had heard it first hand from CA Stephens. I have never had any reason to question CA Stephen's integrity and it sure didn't seem that would start now. I simply verified what I had heard.
Its unfortunate that you find that APA works behind your back. That may or may not be true.
I recall the days when APA was instrumental in the formation of USAPA as then VP Ames consulted with you and even brought you copies of our governing documents in order to help USAPA get started, once it was clear you were leaving ALPA.
I also recall CA Sullenberger told his story in the APA studio and was provided media training by APA. Those were days of cooperation.
If you feel that relationship has deteriorated, then take it up with the current leadership of APA.
Respectfully submitted,
-CA Rob Sproc

Claxon.....checkmate

 

[end_of_alpa]

We figured it out. Best wishes, xoxo
CA King,
I had no statement to make other than to be sure that the position the committee representing the LAA pilots (as represented by CA Stephens) was independent of whatever position APA as its own entity took, because I had heard it first hand from CA Stephens. I have never had any reason to question CA Stephen's integrity and it sure didn't seem that would start now. I simply verified what I had heard.
Its unfortunate that you find that APA works behind your back. That may or may not be true.
I recall the days when APA was instrumental in the formation of USAPA as then VP Ames consulted with you and even brought you copies of our governing documents in order to help USAPA get started, once it was clear you were leaving ALPA.
I also recall CA Sullenberger told his story in the APA studio and was provided media training by APA. Those were days of cooperation.
If you feel that relationship has deteriorated, then take it up with the current leadership of APA.
Respectfully submitted,
-CA Rob Sproc

I just LOVE the APA response. Can you say "plausible deniability"? Yes...those WERE the days when the APA wanted to stick it to ALPA. Now they can stick to USAPA. Making the West happy just drives another nail into the coffin of unionism. New hires get THEIR years but East and TWA get stiffed. Can you say "disparate treatment"?

 

[CactusPilot1]

I just LOVE the APA response. Can you say "plausible deniability"? Yes...those WERE the days when the APA wanted to stick it to ALPA. Now they can stick to USAPA. Making the West happy just drives another nail into the coffin of unionism. New hires get THEIR years but East and TWA get stiffed. Can you say "disparate treatment"?

Making the West happy? It's a duty of fair representation by a union to ALL of it's members. Not just the majority/larger group.

 

[autofixer]

I just LOVE the APA response. Can you say "plausible deniability"? Yes...those WERE the days when the APA wanted to stick it to ALPA. Now they can stick to USAPA. Making the West happy just drives another nail into the coffin of unionism. New hires get THEIR years but East and TWA get stiffed. Can you say "disparate treatment"?

Don't forget, NIC was a ALPA creation. 

 

[Phoenix]

Don't forget, NIC was a ALPA creation.

The Nic is emblatic of ALPA.. All who dare pay homage find it very expensive, time consuming, emotionally draining.. and all for naught. How apropos that it was birthed by ALPA. Poetic.

 

[CactusPilot1]

Change coming soon....

SOC is now planned for April 8 at 0200 central.

USAir will be no more

Cactus will be no more

Will SOC also trigger the demise of the IVR jumpseat system

Fine with me, except for IVR jumpseat system demise...

 

[A320 Driver]

Change coming soon....
SOC is now planned for April 8 at 0200 central.
USAir will be no more
Cactus will be no more
Will SOC also trigger the demise of the IVR jumpseat system
Fine with me, except for IVR jumpseat system demise...

Cool!!!
No more "cactus" callsign.

 

[PullUp]

Got to learn how to say " 'merra-kin" with the correct inflection.
Are they going to put American stickers over the USAirways on the remaining fuselages?

 

[EastCheats]

Cool!!!
No more "cactus" callsign.

Whatever.....makes you happy.