2015 Pilot Discussion.

[autofixer]

Actually, top scale captain pay was over $170/hr. and the next step down was about $150, not great but still better than out West. But before ALPA gave our contract away, once considered one of the best in the industry, even the narrow bodies paid over $200 and DC was 27%. One of my first officers told me that his highest pay year was $225,000+ before the merger. Now that the raise was voted in, top pay is more like $290. What was the historic high pay at AWA? I have never even thought to ask. 
 
Question: How does sophomoric pejoratives like "eastholes", "USTUPID", and "arrogant idiots",  disingenuous rhetoric like "America West bought you arrogant idiots", and using little laughing faces further discourse? Do you ever wonder how such posts reflect on the professionalism of the former AWA pilots to outsiders? After all, this is a public forum. 

I even heard the phrase "... you've go to move these 'Usapians" used on the ground control frequency in CLT last week.  Of course ground control responded, "say again?"  Some people are just freak'n nuts!

 

[CactusPilot1]

Actually, top scale captain pay was over $170/hr. and the next step down was about $150, not great but still better than out West. But before ALPA gave our contract away, once considered one of the best in the industry, even the narrow bodies paid over $200 and DC was 27%. One of my first officers told me that his highest pay year was $225,000+ before the merger. Now that the raise was voted in, top pay is more like $290. What was the historic high pay at AWA? I have never even thought to ask. 
 
Question: How does sophomoric pejoratives like "eastholes", "USTUPID", and "arrogant idiots",  disingenuous rhetoric like "America West bought you arrogant idiots", and using little laughing faces further discourse? Do you ever wonder how such posts reflect on the professionalism of the former AWA pilots to outsiders? After all, this is a public forum.

I call bullcrap on your post. You've been here long enough to see the mud slung on both sides. You go through all these numbers yet you have to ask your first officer about pay? Never mind ALPA, you were paid less than America West at the time of the reverse acquisition after making concessions to keep your company from liquidating, so your numbers would have a big fat zero.

Newsflash:
US Airways Outlines Time Frame for Possible Liquidation
By Keith L. Alexander
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, September 27, 2004; Page A20
US Airways faces a "high probability" of liquidation by mid-February if the temporary pay cuts it requested are not approved by the U.S. Bankruptcy Court.
It was the first time since the Arlington-based airline filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Sept. 12 that it publicly gave a time frame for a possible liquidation. This possibility was raised in a filing Friday.

Newsflash:
Company Overview
As of September 27, 2005, US Airways Group, Inc. was acquired by America West Holdings Corp. in a reverse merger transaction. US Airways Group, Inc., through its subsidiaries, operates a network air carrier. Its subsidiary, US Airways, Inc. (US Airways) engages in the transportation of passengers, property, and mail. As of December 31, 2004, its subsidiary operated 281 jet aircraft and 22 regional jet aircraft; and provided scheduled service at 89 airports in the continental United States, Canada, Mexico, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Ireland, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and the Caribbean. The company is headquartered in Arlington, Virginia

About professionalism....how about the East pilot doing his walk around, flips us off while we are on our taxi out of the alley. This was early in the merger and well before the founding of USAPA. In full view of passengers none the less.

That is no doubt, a public forum and my first impression of East professionalism.

 

[Phoenix]

It's not that easy John. The company cannot just walk away from medical coverage. Obamacare is already under assault from Congress as we speak. Every major corporation in the US will be affected by the Cadillac Tax. The guns haven't even been brought to bear on it yet.

 
 
Yeah, the Republicans will bring the big guns.   Yep, like the super heros Wilson and Roghair did.   Deliverance is just around the corner.  Really.  Send money.  Donate today.  
 
If ya donate to AOL, at least ya get a tie.

 

[WNMECH]

Question: How does sophomoric pejoratives like "eastholes", "USTUPID", and "arrogant idiots",  disingenuous rhetoric like "America West bought you arrogant idiots", and using little laughing faces further discourse? Do you ever wonder how such posts reflect on the professionalism of the former AWA pilots to outsiders? After all, this is a public forum.

You are joking, right?

Since I have been reading the pilots thread, the pejoratives have been at least 3 to 1 from the East to the West.
At the very least.

Professionalism has never been a part of these posts.

Heck, recently a great example of East professionalism blasted the West with 8 posts in a row without a break or a response.

 

[nevergiveup]

You are joking, right?

Since I have been reading the pilots thread, the pejoratives have been at least 3 to 1 from the East to the West.
At the very least.

Professionalism has never been a part of these posts.

Heck, recently a great example of East professionalism blasted the West with 8 posts in a row without a break or a response.

wow!

 

[Metroyet]

You are joking, right?Since I have been reading the pilots thread, the pejoratives have been at least 3 to 1 from the East to the West.At the very least.Professionalism has never been a part of these posts.Heck, recently a great example of East professionalism blasted the West with 8 posts in a row without a break or a response.

That's EastUS, the village Alcholidiot.

 

[luvthe9]

del

 

[EastCheats]

That's EastUS, the village Alcholidiot.

That's EastUS, the village Alcholidiot.

Yup

 

[nycbusdriver]

You are joking, right?

Since I have been reading the pilots thread, the pejoratives have been at least 3 to 1 from the East to the West.
At the very least.

Professionalism has never been a part of these posts.

Heck, recently a great example of East professionalism blasted the West with 8 posts in a row without a break or a response.

 
Really.  WTF do you care?
 
I don't even look at the WN forum, because it's none of my business.  Just as this is none of yours.

 

[WNMECH]

Really.  WTF do you care?
 
I don't even look at the WN forum, because it's none of my business.  Just as this is none of yours.

 
I don't care.
But since you guys like to spread your dirty laundry all over the internet in open forums, you cant blame people from enjoying the show.
This soap opera has been going on for so long, I can hardly wait to see how it turns out.
 
It was nice how you attacked the messenger but not the message.

 

[Claxon]

For the west pilots, you thought 675 dollar ties they had to buy were expensive?
 
Imagine what the angel outfit with the halo included, had to cost each west pilots to date.

 

[Claxon]

American Pilots, america west pilots are selling seniority pills to help your cause.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh9TFUZ8lBM

 

[Claxon]

Can some one find david braids salary form 2005 and add it up to present date next to the nicolau list ill fated award US Airways East pilot member junior to him?
 
The loa 93 west pilot mantra attempt at an insult to East Pilots is a humorous dichotomy of actual math figures.
 
Do the math.

 

[Claxon]

 
David Braid, West Pilot
July 2006 22 Numbers from the junior Captain Dan Kubic.
2007 Awarded 737 upgrade, never trained, downgraded 2008.
January 2014 38 Numbers from junior Captain.
From July 2006-March 2014 Attrition 189
July 2006 1853 West Pilots
January 2014 1609 West Pilots
Dan Kubic junior West Captain at the merger 2005, still downgraded. 16 Numbers from junior Captain

 
Training Issues
•PHX pilots have not been trained for Caribbean flying, effectively blocking West pilots and preserving that flying exclusively for East pilots.
•West aircraft have not been equipped for over water
•AQP and full course training is lacking and leaves pilots under prepared
•East school house running at 100%
•West school house essentially empty
•Six empty simulator bays, empty classrooms, Check Airmen flying the line
•Instructors are being told that PHX training center is closing
•After nine years, single certificate and FAA approved training program East and West check airmen still can not check pilots from the “other airline”.

 
The West Pilots
•Have done a fantastic job despite shrinking and watching all the growth and benefits go to the East pilots
•Been locked out and blocked from being a part of the airline
•Have played by the rules and been punished for it (Nicolau, injunction)
•Bad behavior by the East has been handsomely rewarded
•Have reached the end of our good humor and polite disposition
•Have dealt with uncertainty and disappointment for far to many years
•Going onto yet another merger with uncertainty about seniority and timeline.
•Possibly another two or three years. Waiting over a decade.
•The company has handed the East pilots evidence for seniority integration against the West
•Relied on statements and written commitments by Doug Parker CEO

west pilots you reached the end of your good humor and polite dispostition?

What is your next move west? 
 
May I suggest BOHICA?
 
You are screwed!

 

[Claxon]

satirical, rhetorical quote west pilots envision;
 
"American pilots merged over the years with Air Cal, Reno, Midway and TWA.   We have industrial strength staplers. 
 
We american pilots have changed our ways over the last 30 years and will hand over our fate to arbitrators, if west pilots go above us, que sera, sera."
 
NOT! reality check, bohica west.