2015 Pilot Discussion.
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luvthe9
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Res is going off the deep end call your wingman now, "you lost". Geez losing is great I hope we can keep up the losing pace, another 30 slots open on the 330, wonder why the west can't bid them........Res your one angry little boy!!!!! But you do make us laugh.
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You seem to be to be the only ones complaining about ties. Eric made it very clear in the video that ALPA was under the threat of East pilots saying give us what we want or we'll throw you out. West gives, East takes which is 3:25 in the video. Give us what we want or we'll take it by force. That's simply was not going to happen. We had an arbitration so the question could be asked why did the East need to offer what was already there, an arbitrated list by an arbitrator the East requested, George Nicolau.luvthe9 said:
The "union" was set up to collect money from the West to benefit mothe East is parallel to what happened in the American Revolution which was taxation without representation. What is pathetic is like the British, you expected to walk all over a smaller group. Tyranny of the majority has run it's course and got defeated and decertified.
Fast forward to today, Usapians are already pulling the same stunts with the APA. I expect they want cave under the pressure like the ALPA who was responsible for defending the arbitrated list and failed to do so.
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American pilots APA and the legal bargaining representative of the US Airways pilots will agree on a sli list with many fences. Every pilot group will get to keep what they brought to the merger, it will not go to arbitration. Per the MB amendment it will become law, final and binding.
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Claxon said:
If the West Agrees with the other two independent merger committees, then fine. If they don't, you're going to arbitration. Change is hard Mike, you'll realize that the ball has been completely stripped out of your former fake unions hands from this point forward. You are right in the this seniority list will be law...nothing you can do to interfer with it. Best of Luck.
Bzzzzzzzzzt!Metroyet said:
"The West Pilots deny that the issue before the Board is whether or not West Pilots have an independent legal right to participate in the SLI proceedings.
Any attempt to reframe the issue in this manner should be dismissed by the
Board, the West Pilots insist. Whether the West Pilots have a separate and
independent legal right to engage in SLI negotiations and arbitration is irrelevant,...."
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I like that idea, keep what you brought. It was discussed in the previous merger, the one where America West had new hires all the way up to the merger in 2005. There is a good reason we had no advancement in our careers since 2007.Claxon said:
The previous arbitration discussed these factors and the reasoning for their decision:
"Before discussing the aforesaid approaches in greater detail,
some uncontroverted facts and then some recent history. US Airways is
the product of a series of mergers stretching back to 1968. At the time
of the US Air/America West merger, US Airways had a grand total of
5098 pilots on its seniority list, 1691 of which (33%) were on furlough."
"US Airways had also declared bankruptcy, not once but twice. And it was still in bankruptcy at the time of the merger and was unprepared to present a reorganization plan for its emergence."
" A majority of the Board has also decided that the totality of premerger
career expectations weighs in favor of active pilots as of the
date of the announcement. When one considers the number and
length of furloughs on the US Airways side and the dim prospects the
airline faced and compares it to the lack of furloughs on the America
West side, which furloughs ceased to exist long before the merger
took place, merging active pilots with furloughees, despite the length
of service of some of the latter, is not at all fair or equitable under any
of the stated criteria."
You fear arbitration and the West has been given a seat which that fear is turning to hysteria because you don't want previous facts revisited.
Res Judicata
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Firstly, your reading comprehension sucks. Secondly, the MOU dumped all MB responsibilities on the APA. You're done. You shouldn't have agreed to the MOU that forced you to cease to exist before the SLI was done. Legally out maneuvered. Next time: "Better call Saul!!!"Claxon said:
traderjake
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Forest Gump is no match for Vince Hardy.
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"At the hearing in the Preliminary Arbitration and in subsequent communications, the former America West pilots have indicated their seeming intention to predicate their proposal for integrating seniority based on an updated Nicolau list. We do not believe such a proposal is consistent with the RLA status quo at US Airways, with McCaskill-Bond, with the MOU or the Protocol Agreement or with the decisions of the United States District Court in Arizona. Nor do we believe such a proposal is in the best interests of US Airways pilots. The APA America West Merger Committee is free to make whatever proposal it wants, but whatever it proposes is just that a proposal nothing more.
We are fully prepared to oppose any proposal that attempts to integrate the pilots of the New American Airlines in any manner that is not fair and equitable."
You had fair and equitable. We've been on the receiving end of your idea of fairness. The APA better have the pacifiers on the table for USAPA LLC and earplugs for the rest of the panel.
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We are fully prepared to oppose any proposal that attempts to integrate the pilots of the New American Airlines in any manner that is not fair and equitable."
You had fair and equitable. We've been on the receiving end of your idea of fairness. The APA better have the pacifiers on the table for USAPA LLC and earplugs for the rest of the panel.
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