2015 AMT Discussion
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"United's Company Close Out"
a look at the company offer with some detail from the TWU 591.
http://www.local591.com/docs/CompanyCloseOutProposal.pdf
a look at the company offer with some detail from the TWU 591.
http://www.local591.com/docs/CompanyCloseOutProposal.pdf
topDawg
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wow what a turdBuck said:
funny thing is I fully expect AA to be offered the same thing minus 7 weeks of vacation(5 for you guys) and trade teamcare and IAMPF.
and I fully expect a few people here to be screaming to take it. 46 an hour and the buy out is all that will matter to some, sadly. (in both cases)
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Agreed. For those that said "we'll get 'em next time" the last contract vote...topDawg said:
Next time is now. If you vote in anything below UPS wages with current US Air seniority and farm out language, you are selling out.
topDawg
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JMO......Glenn Quagmire said:
No concessions period. Even at UPS pay, going to US outsourcing you are paying for a lot of that raise with current jobs. (and probably all of it if you figure that AA would have to hire a large amount of people to bring in all the US work to get to 35%)
We wont even talk about future jobs.
AA is posting 18+% operating margins, Any concessions now just mean you are really going to be management b**ch when things get bad.
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Topdawg and Quagmire you both are living in a dream world they will continue to outsource and cut jobs at will due to the fact we have the weakest Union in the industry. And as far as them matching anything close to what United is offering for a buyout there is know way in hell that's gonna happen. As far as the money goes I believe it when I see it but I'm banking on the Association to screw that pooch.
Steve Goeyvaerts
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If the initial early out of $42,000 for Taesel is an indication, then the question is, are the rest of the unionized employees going to offered the same?
There are some indications that a few here in TUL are going to go regardless either this winter or next spring.
There are some indications that a few here in TUL are going to go regardless either this winter or next spring.
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My friend.Goey said:
Let me tell you about a USAirways "buy-out". One of the best I ever heard of was 15 weeks pay, plus a whopping $10.80 per hour for unused sick time hours. 42 grand would have half of USAirways leaving.
And since the IAM is running the show for the first 2 years, let me rephrase your last sentence:
"I'm used to being screwed by the IAM I just don't think these TWU boys understand how bad it's going to get".
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No offense but that is excusesGoey said:
Yall vote.
And personally I think your own, not the company, will be your own worst enemies. I see a lot of the same we saw from the United Ramp.
Scope is stupid give me the money (even though I'll be outsourced) or the early out. Piss on the rest of yall.
And yes your unions suck. I agree with that.
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I don't know what's more pathetic us trying to one up each other on which half of the Ass is more incompetent or the nameless individuals on here who hide behind a nom de plume and throw out crap to see if it sticks to the wall. As far as the IAM being in charge what's the difference they're both incompetent in my eyes. Also for those of you who think we have a say in anything about the contract up to and including whether your vote counts one way or the other lest ye forget the Ass can accept the contract on our behalf regardless if we vote it down or not. They own it not us and they can accept it because they know what's best for us and it's been done twice before at AA by the TWU in my career.
Steve Goeyvaerts
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This is something to what you are saying. I have always had Scope thrown at me and in 30 years Scope has literally become worse with the B, C, and D scales and the SRP, OSM and AMTO.topDawg said:
The actual work even though the company could farm out 35% has held pretty steady. The effort of maintaining Dues Payers has been the focus, with little regard for quality, peer matching wages and benefits.
Take the money....
We all know we are in new territory with the Association. Funny how someone knows that a proposal will be out soon yet the association never really asked us what we want. This leads me to believe they will stick the mandatory participation of the iam pension in the back pages of the proposal. If it's in there and given an option I could see a chance in passing. No option then it's probably going to be a dead proposal from what I hear on the floor. Then take the association authority to sign off on it over our wishes might be financial suicide in the long run. Things will be getting ugly soon enough.Goey said:
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I don't know what SRP or AMTO is but as to the OSM, welcome to 2015.Buck said:
you are going to have to learn to deal with some non-A&Ps working on planes, engines, components. The idea of "you must have an A&P to touch plane parts" is going to get you outsourced even more.
It should be kept under control, but you are going to have to deal with have some OSMs. At Delta we have some shops that are mostly ASMs(your OSM), but if they didn't have the ASMs the work would be going to a vendor. I would much rather have the work in-house with some AMTs vs no work and less AMTs. Can't always have cake and eat it too.
And math wise, with all the US work that would have to be brought in-house to get down to 35% you guys shouldn't have to bump anyone down. (matter of fact I imagine you would have to hire people.)
Not sure where you got that Buck. That's not even close to being correct. Over the last 5 years you have gone from all your engines, all your heavies and a large amount of components being in-house down toBuck said:
4 types of heavies, 3 of which are planes that are leaving (S80,757, 767). You are now down to two engines (CF6/CFM56-7) and send out(or will send out) RB211, T800, TXWB, T700, CFM56-5, GEnX, GE90, CF34 and V2500.
And components you are sending more and more of it out also, plus not gearing up for the next gen stuff like Airbus, 787, A330, A350 etc.
Also over the last few years your outsourcing % has jumped 10%. (and that is the tip of the iceberg, if you take US scope you are going to jump to at least 55%. )
Oh and that 10% doesn't account for things like 787 work you haven't started gearing up for. The company is already playing you and you guys don't even see it (or care)
so I'm sorry but, no. thats simply false.
Having said that, your pay sucks, I get that. But its dumb to me to pay for your raises buy cutting half your work force.
and FWIW you are just doing managements work. By already giving up on scope and allowing them to do whatever they want you are just taking more money out of your pocket.Buck said:
It should be "take the money, scope, benefits etc"
18% margins, billions in profits and you want to take money out of your left pocket to put it in the right. Parker and Co thank you.
