2015 AMT Discussion

[WeAAsles]

The math has nothing to do with my point. Talk about not getting it. Any energy put forth in negotiations to get any article whatever it is, you are telling me that none of these discussions are about both or all groups? Even Bulletin Boards? Then why have a JCBA? You and 700 are locked on industrial unionism of the 1940's. Why not let the mechanics negotiate at different years?
I am not talking about just the money. I really could care less what any other group makes. You going to tell me that the IAMPF is not going to be discussed for all groups as one item?

Of course many items we see in our eventual TA are going to be similar to each other. No different then the fact that we will have items similar to the Agents, The FA's and the Pilots. It's the company that's going to want the uniformity. What difference would it make if we don't negotiate at the same time? And if the Company is screwing with you or vice versa we shouldn't help each other? 

Take for instance the company wanting us to do your work on moving planes around. Our Presidents are telling the company to stuff it because we know they just want to divide us. Would you rather we just pretend you don't exist and say the hell with it, we'll take that work. Let them grieve it.

And of course they're going to discuss the IAMPF for all both groups. That isn't exactly a State secret either.

BTW it's Mechanics negotiating for mechanics and they're the ones who put out there updates for the communication dept to give to you.

http://www.usaamerger.com/category/american-airlines/mechanic-and-related/

 

[WeAAsles]

What you always like to do is to try to show how superior you think you are and on many occasions you make a mule's rear out of yourself.
 
Why do you think you are getting a lot of negatives ( RED ) marks on your posts? 
 
You have all of this knowledge and experience, try and change your delivery, man you are just rude....

Buck I'm going to fess up. I asked 700 to say that. I was just having a little fun and hope you can take the joke of it? 

I'm from NYC. We like to bust chops.

 

[chilokie1]

Have you ever asked Dale what the new Int'l guys thought about the Association when they got in. Did you ever ask Dale if they tried to do anything to get out of it? Ask Dale if he thinks the two sides are getting along better than they first did? Dale will know those answers better than anyone. That's if you trust what Dale tells you?
And I agreed and always will agree 100% that we should have voted for it before they agreed to sign the papers.
 


The first 10% was given away for improvements off the bankruptcy crap. And we gave away the last 5% for the 4.3% raise.
C'mon be honest. Did any of us have ANY clue at all that this freakin company would make 7 Billion in Profit in ONE year?
So they took the sure thing rather than betting against the odds. Would you have bet the odds instead?

Most airlines make money out of bankruptcy but know one could have predicted the amount AA is making, but that is besides the point the international gave it away even though dumb
SOB's knew many of us had a raise coming in 20 months that was based on the rest of the industry which means I would be making the same as I am today accept I would still have my
Profit sharing. That is what the rest of the groups do not understand, Title I & Title II got screwed! Yes I would have kept profit sharing unless they took the industry average raise and
added 4.3% on top of it, then it would have made sense but the way it worked out for Title I & II we lost the profit sharing for a raise of 4.3% for exactly 20 months

 

[Buck]

Of course many items we see in our eventual TA are going to be similar to each other. No different then the fact that we will have items similar to the Agents, The FA's and the Pilots. It's the company that's going to want the uniformity. What difference would it make if we don't negotiate at the same time? And if the Company is screwing with you or vice versa we shouldn't help each other? 

Take for instance the company wanting us to do your work on moving planes around. Our Presidents are telling the company to stuff it because we know they just want to divide us. Would you rather we just pretend you don't exist and say the hell with it, we'll take that work. Let them grieve it.

And of course they're going to discuss the IAMPF for all both groups. That isn't exactly a State secret either.

BTW it's Mechanics negotiating for mechanics and they're the ones who put out there updates for the communication dept to give to you.

http://www.usaamerger.com/category/american-airlines/mechanic-and-related/

As a matter of fact yes
 
You really believe in this stuff don't you. Who is Sean Doyle? What updates, bulletin boards ? I ask you not to act like that, please.

 

[WeAAsles]

Most airlines make money out of bankruptcy but know one could have predicted the amount AA is making, but that is besides the point the international gave it away even though dumb
SOB's knew many of us had a raise coming in 20 months that was based on the rest of the industry which means I would be making the same as I am today accept I would still have my
Profit sharing. That is what the rest of the groups do not understand, Title I & Title II got screwed! Yes I would have kept profit sharing unless they took the industry average raise and
added 4.3% on top of it, then it would have made sense but the way it worked out for Title I & II we lost the profit sharing for a raise of 4.3% for exactly 20 months

Every group gave it up starting from the APA down. The APA an independent union that everyone played follow the leader with. And Title I II and III lost it. No. Not a single group had any clue how big the Forrest was through the trees. And now slowly the rest of the industry is playing follow the leader.

I'm sorry but I don't know too many people out there that were screaming NO don't do it. Even the airline analysts didn't see the oil drop. They did the math I'm sure based on those so called experts.

So in hindsight again they made a mistake. We should have kept the 5%. Do you think anyone else would have made a different choice if they were representing us? Honestly?

 

[Buck]

Buck I'm going to fess up. I asked 700 to say that. I was just having a little fun and hope you can take the joke of it? 

I'm from NYC. We like to bust chops.

You do not ask 700 to say everything that comes out of his mouth for the last year or do you. He has been rude for some time, unless it is you being rude through him....

 

[WeAAsles]

As a matter of fact yes
 
You really believe in this stuff don't you. Who is Sean Doyle? What updates, bulletin boards ? I ask you not to act like that, please.

Is Sean's name on those updates? Yes I know Sean personally to tell you the truth. And I know Alex Garcia as well.

Ask YOUR Presidents if they think either one of those guys is interfering in YOUR negotiations?

Ask them?

 

[WeAAsles]

You do not ask 700 to say everything that comes out of his mouth for the last year or do you. He has been rude for some time, unless it is you being rude through him....

No he's very rude. Worse than me sometimes and I admit I'm a certified A hole.

 

[Buck]

Is Sean's name on those updates? Yes I know Sean personally to tell you the truth. And I know Alex Garcia as well.

Ask YOUR Presidents if they think either one of those guys is interfering in YOUR negotiations?
 
Ask them?

 
Why do the Mechanics require a Fleet rep to oversee their negotiations? Tell me again how these are separate negotiated contracts......
 
I was not there but when TWU Local 514 President opened his mouth today he blamed the Teamsters and AMFA for the ASSociation slowdown along with the company. Dale Danker has taken the TWU bait just like the rest of them. Now he is speaking for the ASSociation I guess? Understand this, this TWU membership was promised open communication, that was the TWU's first lie.
Once the bite the hook their words are nothing but BS and have been for 30 years. They are good at one thing for sure, instilling fear into this membership.

 

[WeAAsles]

Why do the Mechanics require a Fleet rep to oversee their negotiations? Tell me again how these are separate negotiated contracts......
 
I was not there but when TWU Local 514 President opened his mouth today he blamed the Teamsters and AMFA for the ASSociation slowdown along with the company. Dale Danker has taken the TWU bait just like the rest of them. Now he is speaking for the ASSociation I guess? Understand this, this TWU membership was promised open communication, that was the TWU's first lie.
Once the bite the hook their words are nothing but BS and have been for 30 years. They are good at one thing for sure, instilling fear into this membership.

Buck why is Sean stuck with the job? Have you asked enough questions about that? Have you asked Dale or the other two maintenance Presidents to tell you.

Let me say this. We are autonomous. Fleet Presidents were told to chose among themselves 6 out of 9 people to go and represent us in the talks. So why are NYC, MIA and ORD out? Because that's who the Presidents chose to be out. Now for maintenance there's one spot and 3 people who might want it. Who rules who out? Ask your President to tell you.

Dale has taken the TWU bait huh? How do you know that he just hasn't seen the change you guys have wanted for a very long time? Again all the names of so many people you guys bashed on here in the TWU where are they now? If the leadership were out to screw you WHY are they not still in?

Open communication? Who is supposed to communicate to you in an automous structure. Your President. You just said he's communicating with you. What do you feel he's leaving out?

Maybe, maybe some things for the betterment of the Chess game of negotiations? You can't play poker with your cards turned towards the guy your playing against.

Buck start asking more questions of the guys you're paying directly to answer them.

And yea the Teamsters vote and the Peterson complaint to the NMB did slow things down. That's a fact whether you like Dale saying it or not. But other things slowed it down too. Including my own loved TWU.

 

[dfw gen]

20% of nothing is well nothing.time for the association to come out and tell the membership they need help. As long as we are getting our $50.00 double play for performance, well hell Billy Bob
We must be happy.

Geez I do no more then what im required to. In fact if I just do what management wants/suggests/demands it usually sinks.

 

[dfw gen]

Being a maintenance thread why don't you just blow sunshine for fleet service? In fact if you really focused on connesting bags you just might get that there triple play.

 

[WeAAsles]

Being a maintenance thread why don't you just blow sunshine for fleet service? In fact if you really focused on connesting bags you just might get that there triple play.

Well tell you what bro. Whether you like it or not we're both part of the same Union. And if the conversation is about that Union that we both belong to then I guess we both can drink out of the same water fountain.

Sorry if that bothers you.

 

[chilokie1]

Every group gave it up starting from the APA down. The APA an independent union that everyone played follow the leader with. And Title I II and III lost it. No. Not a single group had any clue how big the Forrest was through the trees. And now slowly the rest of the industry is playing follow the leader.
I'm sorry but I don't know too many people out there that were screaming NO don't do it. Even the airline analysts didn't see the oil drop. They did the math I'm sure based on those so called experts.
So in hindsight again they made a mistake. We should have kept the 5%. Do you think anyone else would have made a different choice if they were representing us? Honestly?

So did every labor group have a contactural industry comparable pay rate adjustment kick in after they received the 4.3 % for losing profit sharing like title I ? Did fleet service ?

 

[WeAAsles]

So did every labor group have a contactural industry comparable pay rate adjustment kick in after they received the 4.3 % for losing profit sharing like title I ? Did fleet service ?

I'm not sure what the Pilots and FAs did exactly? Researching back sometimes is a bit of a pain. You have to search by putting in different sentences in different ways hoping to hit what you're looking for. Anyway yea we had the averaging too.

But what's the point since I'm agreeing with you that we should have kept the 5% in hindsight and looking at the profit they made last year. Question though? Did us (ALL Unions) exchanging the PS get Delta to up their rates by that 14%? We each feed off each other in lots of different ways. Without us giving it up I don't think Delta would have given them the 14% for this year and of course not changed the formula for payout.