2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[NYer]

  " As 2014 comes to a close, and we complete our first year as new American, I want to thank you for everything you are doing to run a great airline and integrate our two airlines. Our Company’s performance has surpassed everyone's expectations, and the credit for this success belongs to each of you. In celebration of that success, today we are announcing a pay increase of 4 percentage points for represented workgroups with ratified joint contracts and for non-contract employees below the director level."
 
 
 
​  WTF does negotiations have to do with the success that we as employees achieved last year ????  What a croc of dodo !! 

 
The unions are getting outplayed.

 

[NYer]

 
 There is every reason to include every employee. In his own words it is because of all of us. Ratified Joint Contracts or not. 
 
The " Thank You " doesn't mean Diddley Squat. if it only compensates ratified contracts. He says we earned it. Not some of us earned it and some didn't yet !!!!!..... I heard the word Success..........Not Future Success....  !!!

 
It's pretty funny how a group that has complained for a decade that we are the lowest paid find a way to be upset about getting a 4% bump without even any negotiations. We'll have to wait a bit, but it's 4% more than we could count on before the announcement.
 
It's also a pretty good move in gamesmanship. This will undoubtedly raise the level of pressure for the Association to engage in meaningful negotiations sooner rather than later.
 
The IAM has already put out a communication where they call for "expedited negotiations" once that door is opened by the NBM. The TWU will have their work cut out for them, as it won't be so easy to continue the calls for voting no on everything.

 

[AANOTOK]

You would make an excellent "Association" spokesperson.
Wait a minute, that's what...

 

[dfw gen]

He is paid for?

 

[mike33]

 
It's pretty funny how a group that has complained for a decade that we are the lowest paid find a way to be upset about getting a 4% bump without even any negotiations. We'll have to wait a bit, but it's 4% more than we could count on before the announcement.
 
It's also a pretty good move in gamesmanship. This will undoubtedly raise the level of pressure for the Association to engage in meaningful negotiations sooner rather than later.
 
The IAM has already put out a communication where they call for "expedited negotiations" once that door is opened by the NBM. The TWU will have their work cut out for them, as it won't be so easy to continue the calls for voting no on everything.

more than a decade BTW............but the so called 4% should not be a negotiating tool....Jan 4% like everyone else irregardless of what we are striving for in negotiations..... Then and only then can it be in conjunction with the word " Appreciation"

 

[NYer]

more than a decade BTW............but the so called 4% should not be a negotiating tool....Jan 4% like everyone else irregardless of what we are striving for in negotiations..... Then and only then can it be in conjunction with the word " Appreciation"

The other unions need to comply with the joint contract too. We just need our guys to start getting ready.

 

[MetalMover]

 
It's pretty funny how a group that has complained for a decade that we are the lowest paid find a way to be upset about getting a 4% bump without even any negotiations. We'll have to wait a bit, but it's 4% more than we could count on before the announcement.
 
It's also a pretty good move in gamesmanship. This will undoubtedly raise the level of pressure for the Association to engage in meaningful negotiations sooner rather than later.
 
The IAM has already put out a communication where they call for "expedited negotiations" once that door is opened by the NBM. The TWU will have their work cut out for them, as it won't be so easy to continue the calls for voting no on everything.

Once again I ask.......If negotiations take years.....will the 4% be retro? Again I ask, if negotiations take, say 4 years. will receive 16% ON TOP of what we negotiate?
 
NYer, do YOU believe the 4% will be retro? 

 

[WeAAsles]

I'll bet that the company will agree to retro only up to a set date if we get a JCBA done? My guess would be either when they file for SOC or when it's granted by the FAA? After that POOF.

 

[700UW]

I doubt any retro it's not section 6 negotiations.

 

[WeAAsles]

I doubt any retro it's not section 6 negotiations.

Tactics and pressure my friend. 5 to 6 months of retro is a small price to pay for the company to get what they are looking for. Section 6 or not.

 

[NYer]

Once again I ask.......If negotiations take years.....will the 4% be retro? Again I ask, if negotiations take, say 4 years. will receive 16% ON TOP of what we negotiate?
 
NYer, do YOU believe the 4% will be retro? 

 
If the JCBA is done close to the issuance of the Single Operating Certificate (SOC), then I believe the Negotiators may get retro. If it is after the SOC, by a matter of months not weeks, then there is little to no chance of Retro.
 
This move by the airline is to help get the JCBA's over the hump. They saw the APFA vote no, they see the APA on the fringe of even sending their proposal (which they probably will...announcement coming by Jan. 3rd). It's isn't benevolence, it is a business decision.
 
If we take advantage of their "want" to get the deals done sooner rather than later then the can maximize our return. If we decide to play hard ball, then we may be waiting for a long time. I've maintained that the TWU and IAM should be working together in negotiations preparations. Some of our leaders don't seem to want to even start anything until after there is an NMB triggered vote.

 

[NYer]

I doubt any retro it's not section 6 negotiations.

 
It's not, but they seem to be investing towards trying to get everything wrapped up by the time they get their Single Operating Certificate.
 
The invested with the flight attendants by first giving them the 4% Delta earned right after the TA was approved, then they gave the $80M they lost in arbitration and now they gave them another 4% on top of all that. Except for the first 4%, none of that was expected by anyone and shows their intent on trying to get this sewn up in a certain amount of time.
 
The APA have an arbitration agreement that calls for their JCBA to be cost neutral to the airline, which means their costs wouldn't go up. Despite that, the APA was given 3 extensions on their arbitration trigger. The airline backed off the Scope changes they've been after for years and they're willing to give them the extra 4%, on top of their proposed raises and it would be retro if they decide to vote on the proposal and ratify.
 
All those investments indicates there is a premium to be had and the question becomes, how long will that premium be available and will our leaders overshoot with their demands. Time will tell.

 

[robbedagain]

NYer   I don't think it will take 4 yrs  but if so  I wld hope it would be retro    Now that the merger is complete  it appears that DP and gang are trying real hard to avoid the melt down at UA  and at same time copy DL but trying to do it better.     As far as JCBA  I would like to have  it done properly and not rushed and screwed up    that's my take on it

 

[MetalMover]

NYer   I don't think it will take 4 yrs  but if so  I wld hope it would be retro    Now that the merger is complete  it appears that DP and gang are trying real hard to avoid the melt down at UA  and at same time copy DL but trying to do it better.     As far as JCBA  I would like to have  it done properly and not rushed and screwed up    that's my take on it

Good luck with this... As you can see by reading this forum,,,,there are those who are frothing at the mouth over 4%. They are the ones who will rush to vote on a sub par contract.

 

[robbedagain]

true bro  true  and sad