2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[blue collar]

Must be nice to work for a good ol boy company like Delta! No union and they still get higher base pay sooner in april PLUS profit sharing AND not having to pay $660 a year in union dues. Makes me realize the IAM/TWU isn't worth a salt...

Why don't you apply there?

 

[700UW]

Must be nice to work for a good ol boy company like Delta! No union and they still get higher base pay sooner in april PLUS profit sharing AND not having to pay $660 a year in union dues. Makes me realize the IAM/TWU isn't worth a salt...

And they have no CBA, no workrules. the ready reserves are approaching 50% of the workforce, no pension, shall I continue?

 

[Black Magic]

Why don't you apply there?

Ya why don't I?...I guess I could start all over in seniority, possibly have to move to another state, leave all my friends and family, sell my house, ect. Yep I better get in on the action.

 

[700UW]

You do know that DL cut their profit sharing by 33% last year, and their employees who are non-union had no say in it?
 
So their payout went from 15% to 10%, and that is what they will get again this year.
 
Do you realize only the topped out ACS employees got the 4% raise and everyone else got 3%?

 

[Black Magic]

And they have no CBA, no workrules. the ready reserves are approaching 50% of the workforce, no pension, shall I continue?

Yes keep going, your insight in mind dumbing. While your at it please tell me why the IAM/TWU represented ramp is the lowest paid of the legacy airlines even though AA is the most profitable. Spin away!

 

[Black Magic]

You do know that DL cut their profit sharing by 33% last year, and their employees who are non-union had no say in it?
 
So their payout went from 15% to 10%, and that is what they will get again this year.
 
Do you realize only the topped out ACS employees got the 4% raise and everyone else got 3%?

How much profit sharing did the US ramp get?

 

[700UW]

Guess you like the days of the PPG and how US treated you.
 
Look up Leadership 7.5.
 
And how fast you forget what happened to your group in 1992.
 
PDOs, no sick time, no vacation time, no oji time, 40% reduced to part-time, air freight and express work outsourced, pension frozen.
 
Shall I continue?

 

[Kev3188]

Yes keep going, your insight in mind dumbing. While your at it please tell me why the IAM/TWU represented ramp is the lowest paid of the legacy airlines even though AA is the most profitable. Spin away!

Because the NC's at both Aa & US were inept last time around?

Maybe you should focus on making sure your JCBA-and those you all elected to make it happen- is industry leading.

 

[robbedagain]

700   not according to a certain cheerleader...   just fyi!!!!  

 

[Tim Nelson]

And they have no CBA, no workrules. the ready reserves are approaching 50% of the workforce, no pension, shall I continue?

I believe they have a retirement option 700.  I think it is a 2% base, and a 5.5% match on all income.  That is much better than what my contract holds LUS contributions to, mathematically speaking.  Bottom line is how much money is going into a retirement fund, whether it is a defined contribution or defined benefit.  And speaking of defined benefit, we have already seen how definitions can change.  Many of us like a defined benefit, many would rather not risk future cuts.  At minimal, any future retirement change should start building the 3 prong and getting the company to contribute a % into a 401k instead of mindlessly dumpting 100% into one basket that has burned the hell out of us before.

 

[Tim Nelson]

How much profit sharing did the US ramp get?

0.
 
700 complains that Delta only gave their rampers a 3% pay increase last year, and a 4% this year, yet, the stew union, and the IAM will reap the benefits of their higher wages [due in whole because of union organizing drives].  Then 700 and the IAM put out a organizing flyer accusing Delta management of only giving their rampers a $4,000 check last year for profit sharing, and since profits aren't suppose to be as high this year, they announced a 5% of total wage, i.e., $2,500 check.  The problem is that we ought not to complain about Delta's industry leading profit sharing if the IAM decided to toss ours away for nuttin.  The leaders under canale said, "It wasn't guaranteed anyways so why the fuss?" 
 
Morons, we have morons on our team

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes keep going, your insight in mind dumbing. While your at it please tell me why the IAM/TWU represented ramp is the lowest paid of the legacy airlines even though AA is the most profitable. Spin away!

Let's see uh American only just came out of Bankruptcy, duh. Anyway here's something I found interesting.

Notice this line of the chart.

Popular Employer Salaries for Baggage Handler (Aviation/Airline)
Delta median is $23,078
American Airlines median is $42,936

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Baggage_Handler_%28Aviation%2fAirline%29/Hourly_Rate

 

[WeAAsles]

Because the NC's at both Aa & US were inept last time around?

Maybe you should focus on making sure your JCBA-and those you all elected to make it happen- is industry leading.

Kev the NC for us were negotiating concessions at the hands of a loaded bankruptcy gun. Kind of hard to secure gains when a judge is about to blow your brains out.

I'm 100% positive now that when the Joint talks conclude we will have an industry leading contract.

 

[Kev3188]

I was thinking of the storied ineptitude of the AA AMT's NC, but still...

Nevertheless, the pressure's on for the "new" NC to deliver w/r/t a JCBA...

 

[WeAAsles]

I was thinking of the storied ineptitude of the AA AMT's NC, but still...

 

Ah Ok. I'll bite my tongue this time on that one.