2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[ChockJockey]

You guys top out at 60k WITH BENEFITS. Yet leading strategy consulting firms and bulge bracket investment banks are hiring college graduates and starting them at $75k (plus annual bonus up to 100%).

Josh

 
Wait a minute, you mean I could earn more doing excruciatingly boring office work surrounded by vapid careerists in a corporate culture that makes profit its highest moral imperative?  What's not to like?

 

[WeAAsles]

That's it's not because of the union you have the benefits and wages you have it's a function of the market.

Josh

You are correct and incorrect. The market does dictate salaries in almost all fields but on average in the US a Union worker is able to force the market to pay $5000.00 more per year than those who are unrepresented.

In my field under Unionization we are able to squeeze substantially more out of the market then it would prefer to pay. At this moment "Right To Work" has not been pushed into the RLA and disruptions of any kind among Major Airlines is not something that Wall Street even wants to hear a hint of.

So yes there is extreme value in being organized in the Major Airline industry.

 

[WeAAsles]

You guys top out at 60k WITH BENEFITS. Yet leading strategy consulting firms and bulge bracket investment banks are hiring college graduates and starting them at $75k (plus annual bonus up to 100%).

Josh

Isn't that wonderful. And how many of those jobs are available and what is the education level required to secure one of those jobs? My guess is nothing has changed overnight where the majority of College graduates today are struggling to find work and pay off their student loans.

Modern day slavery is now in the form of economics and debt that kids almost have no hope of getting out from under.

 

[robbedagain]

a certain dl cheerleader wont agree w you on that bro   he claims dl folks make more than union represented employees.
 
you are absolutely correct about the debt that kids almost have no hope of getting out of.    I do think it began when the big banks failed

 

[freedom]

Freedom if you're talking about who's dues are lower this is the absolute worst reason to choose one union over another. That's the comments I hear all the time from people who want to go against union representation, "I don't want to pay dues"
Compared to my non union counterparts who hump bags all over the US I get over a 100% per year return on my investment. Looking at the BLS reports our non union counterparts make about on average $24,000 per year with no benefits. When you add benefits into the mix we get topped out somewhere in the range of $60,000 per year.
Whatever you pay to your union for dues if you put those figures into the equation, we pay a very small price for those returns.

I don't know how you go from my question of cost comparison to being anti union..

Wouldn't want to be without a union ever ...

But I'm sorry cost comparison IS an important deciding factor along with services provided ...

If both unions offer the sam level and quality of service but one of them is 50% less expensive than the other than its just stupid to pay more ..

 

[28L_or_10R?]

Shut up.

 

[WeAAsles]

I don't know how you go from my question of cost comparison to being anti union..

Wouldn't want to be without a union ever ...

But I'm sorry cost comparison IS an important deciding factor along with services provided ...

If both unions offer the sam level and quality of service but one of them is 50% less expensive than the other than its just stupid to pay more ..

Sounds like the guy who buys boots made in China over boots made in America. On the outside both boots look just as good but in the end your Chinese boots make it for one year but your American made product lasts you a lifetime. (resoled every once in awhile of course)

 

[Solidarity]

Sounds like the guy who buys boots made in China over boots made in America. On the outside both boots look just as good but in the end your Chinese boots make it for one year but your American made product lasts you a lifetime. (resoled every once in awhile of course)

BOOM!! FREEDOM, DONT JUMP OFF THE CLIFF BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY LOOK.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

Freedumb will jump off of a cliff for a lousy 10 cents.

 

[robbedagain]

after he tosses his coworkers under the bus!

 

[freedom]

Are you guys for real or are you just bias and unwilling to admit it ?

In the event that we are forced to chose between either union , how am I the crazy one for echoing that "cost" is a relevant deciding factor between the two...

I used to be a TWU member and I thought they were fine.

 

[WeAAsles]

Are you guys for real or are you just bias and unwilling to admit it ?
In the event that we are forced to chose between either union , how am I the crazy one for echoing that "cost" is a relevant deciding factor between the two...
I used to be a TWU member and I thought they were fine.

Freedom if you get a DUI are you going to hire the cheapest.lawyer with an unproven track record or are you going to be willing to spend more if a particular lawyer has the proven successes to warrant your money?

If the cheap lawyer is all you can afford then it really isn't going to matter because if they lose the case it's going to cost you far more over time?

And I also believe that IF it came down to having to make that choice in the future we should discuss that bridge when we come to it. As of now that doesn't even need to be discussed IMO.

 

[freedom]

Ok that's fine, it is irrelevant at this point ..

 

[28L_or_10R?]

You are irrelevant, Freedumb.

 

[ograc]

there, i like that better. I can live with "most likely". When u originally said "must" that was simply misleading..

 
Duly noted Brother. We shall see.