1st Q Numbers look great!

[robbedagain]

I got news for you... I very highly doubt SWA wants their own employees to watch a DL 717 when they been exposed to it following their merger with FL   
 
Secondly What will ur reaction be IF DL CANNOT GET A SLOT after Jan 6th

 

[WorldTraveler]

I don't think it's really an issue of what WN wants for its employees.

the only issue is whether DAL is following federal law regarding airport access; I don't believe they do.

as I said from the beginning, if DL is right, then the parties involved will accommodate DL. If DL is wrong, then they would have had not problem saying NO before.

they didn't say no.

DL is at DAL and given that DL is still selling seats beyond the gate sublease, DL either has received assurances that it will be accommodated or is willing to push a legal case.

how about instead of continuing to try to prove me wrong, you and everyone else - including me - wait until there is something new in the case?

 

[swamt]

you are the one that has problems in being unable to accept congratulations and best wishes for what you have accomplished.

you can't accept that your expectations that WN will dominate DAL to the exclusion of carriers that want to serve it is not only illegal but it won't happen.

grow up and learn to compete in a world where what you want isn't the only thing in the world.

DL will be at DAL and you will have to look at their jets across the ramp - and even at WN gates.

Actually I will not have to see their jets across the way as you state.  I really don't give 2 shits about their jets either.  And your wrong again they will not be at WN gates after 1-6-15.  And they are only at one little ole single WN gate right now due to the graciousness of SWA to Allow Delta to remain at LF for now so not to disrupt the customers at this time.  Which will benefit SWA later after Delta is gone from LF. It's only a matter of chiefy, you just keep hoping for the best for Delta...

 

[swamt]

I don't think it's really an issue of what WN wants for its employees.

the only issue is whether DAL is following federal law regarding airport access; I don't believe they do.

as I said from the beginning, if DL is right, then the parties involved will accommodate DL. If DL is wrong, then they would have had not problem saying NO before.

they didn't say no.

DL is at DAL and given that DL is still selling seats beyond the gate sublease, DL either has received assurances that it will be accommodated or is willing to push a legal case.

how about instead of continuing to try to prove me wrong, you and everyone else - including me - wait until there is something new in the case?

Oh wait. NOW you wanna wait and see what happens, as NOW you agree it is still up in the air. Nice, very nice...

 

[WorldTraveler]

sorry but for-profit companies aren't gracious to competitors or their customers.

DL knew what it was getting into when it announced plans to serve DAL and it hasn't given up and is still there.

since you are now categorically stating that DL will not be at WN gates after January 6, we can certainly follow up and see who was right. we can also see if your forecast of DL being gone from DAL will be correct.

no, I am actually tired of debating an issue that hasn't changed.

you clearly are too wrapped up in the issue to be able to take a step back and wait.

DL's presence at DAL might affect you personally but the courts and DAL as well as WN could care less.

it is a business and legal issue and will be treated as such.

 

[jcw]

sorry but for-profit companies aren't gracious to competitors or their customers.

DL knew what it was getting into when it announced plans to serve DAL and it hasn't given up and is still there.

since you are now categorically stating that DL will not be at WN gates after January 6, we can certainly follow up and see who was right. we can also see if your forecast of DL being gone from DAL will be correct.

no, I am actually tired of debating an issue that hasn't changed.

you clearly are too wrapped up in the issue to be able to take a step back and wait.

DL's presence at DAL might affect you personally but the courts and DAL as well as WN could care less.

it is a business and legal issue and will be treated as such.

 
Let me translate for everyone:
 
DL is not gracious to it's customer because it's for profit driving for profit sharing for it's employees - the focus on creating a declining margin but paying out profit sharing - DL is teaching its employees to treat the customers poorly as a strategy - when the click the red slippers or put on the read coat the objective is to NOT be gracious

 

[WorldTraveler]

wrong.

DL, like any profit-motivated company, balances being gracious with its profit motives.

in the situation being discussed here, neither you or anyone else a profit or strategic reason why WN would be gracious to DL or DL's customers.

companies can be gracious even to other customers but not at the expense of their own profit-directed goals.

 

[swamt]

sorry but for-profit companies aren't gracious to competitors or their customers.
*** Wrong.  SWA has already addressed this issue in writing and it was in fact to help out the customers wanting to remain flying out of LF-Period...

DL knew what it was getting into when it announced plans to serve DAL and it hasn't given up and is still there.
*** Wrong, Delta thought they knew.  They are still not flying the original schedule they wanted to from 2 gates not just 1 gate.  Which you still avoid this issue to this day...

since you are now categorically stating that DL will not be at WN gates after January 6, we can certainly follow up and see who was right. we can also see if your forecast of DL being gone from DAL will be correct.
*** I have already been partially correct.  Delta did not get 2 gates.  Delta was asked to leave LF.  They are only there due to SWA's graciousness to lease them 1 gate temporarily until 1-6-15...  

no, I am actually tired of debating an issue that hasn't changed.
*** Then admit you were partially wrong until the rest comes 1-6-15...

you clearly are too wrapped up in the issue to be able to take a step back and wait.
*** Wrong again WT.  You are the one causing it all.  Nice try to deflect and try to move on when your wrong and just can't seem to admit it...

DL's presence at DAL might affect you personally but the courts and DAL as well as WN could care less.
*** Wrong again. The only reason I am here is to constantly prove you wrong when you are wrong, especially when it comes to Delta--Why, because you are such a huge DL cheerleader and in your mind DL can do no wrong. Besides all that it's just fun to watch you sink when negative things happen to DL.  I can only hope that DL stays at LF, with what they are offering as a product, they will lose money and customers to SWA and Virgin easily...

it is a business and legal issue and will be treated as such.
***  Still will be a waste of money for Delta as there are very different rules that everyone must play by at DAL LF.  I know you can't wrap your head around this but it is fact...

You still have not admitted to me about the ALT reduction of flights by SWA.  Although I will say you have admitted it to someone else.  This is all it would take WT, admit your wrongs, that freakin simple. But you will not, you never will, you can't, it is against everything you stand for to admit your wrongs, even though you know you have been wrong.  Everyone out here knows it, you are the ONLY one that thinks you have NEVER EVER been wrong,  see how this works???

 

[swamt]

wrong.

DL, like any profit-motivated company, balances being gracious with its profit motives.

in the situation being discussed here, neither you or anyone else a profit or strategic reason why WN would be gracious to DL or DL's customers.

companies can be gracious even to other customers but not at the expense of their own profit-directed goals.

You obviously have never dealt with SWA before.  When SWA sees it will benefit them, even in the long run, ie bags fly free, they will do what they have to do.  That's just bus 101, which I see why you don't understand as you are the more likes of cut-throat style bus., speaks volumes about your character as well...

 

[WorldTraveler]

if it makes you feel better, swamt, I will say that WN redeployed its assets from ATL to DAL because it was the right business thing to do and not because they were running from DL.

running from ATL or anywhere else and running to DAL are the same things unless WN had the resources to do multiple things at the same time.

It was apparent when WN decided to remove the 717s from the fleet that they would have a short term capacity shortage; even if in time they solve it, they are making choices now that reflect their limited resources.

I~m still not sure I see what you think WN gets out of sub-leasing gates to DL other than to put off legal challenges by DL or potentially forcing DAL to fix the problem behind the scenes in a way that takes the pressure off of WN.

EIther way, WN is acting in its own intersts and only its own interest.

 

[does this plane go to paris]

You obviously have never dealt with SWA before.  When SWA sees it will benefit them, even in the long run, ie bags fly free, they will do what they have to do.  That's just bus 101, which I see why you don't understand as you are the more likes of cut-throat style bus., speaks volumes about your character as well...

I seem to recall that about 10 years or so ago, an airline shutdown.  Maybe it was National or Skybus, who ever it was, it was a forgone conclusion that there was no hope of them ever re-opening their doors and they had thousands of stranded Customers walking up and down airport counters looking for help.  Every other carrier told them that in order to travel on their airline they would have to purchase a ticket and submit their old ticket to the shutdown carrier for any help. We received a memo from HDQ that we were to accommodate any Customer holding a ticket to accommodate them on standby basis.  We put these folks on the standby list and were cleared after Non-rev's.  I'll tell you that we never had happier Customers.  I know that we had several compliment letters arrive stating that we were they ONLY carrier that tried to do something and these folks would remember WN for helping.  WN probably didn't make any money from the ticket but got it back tenfold in future tickets.

 

[WorldTraveler]

multiple carriers do that and have done it for years.

 

[swamt]

I seem to recall that about 10 years or so ago, an airline shutdown.  Maybe it was National or Skybus, who ever it was, it was a forgone conclusion that there was no hope of them ever re-opening their doors and they had thousands of stranded Customers walking up and down airport counters looking for help.  Every other carrier told them that in order to travel on their airline they would have to purchase a ticket and submit their old ticket to the shutdown carrier for any help. We received a memo from HDQ that we were to accommodate any Customer holding a ticket to accommodate them on standby basis.  We put these folks on the standby list and were cleared after Non-rev's.  I'll tell you that we never had happier Customers.  I know that we had several compliment letters arrive stating that we were they ONLY carrier that tried to do something and these folks would remember WN for helping.  WN probably didn't make any money from the ticket but got it back tenfold in future tickets.

Now that is what I'm talking about.  You hear that WT???

 

[swamt]

if it makes you feel better, swamt, I will say that WN redeployed its assets from ATL to DAL because it was the right business thing to do and not because they were running from DL.

running from ATL or anywhere else and running to DAL are the same things unless WN had the resources to do multiple things at the same time.

It was apparent when WN decided to remove the 717s from the fleet that they would have a short term capacity shortage; even if in time they solve it, they are making choices now that reflect their limited resources.

I~m still not sure I see what you think WN gets out of sub-leasing gates to DL other than to put off legal challenges by DL or potentially forcing DAL to fix the problem behind the scenes in a way that takes the pressure off of WN.

EIther way, WN is acting in its own intersts and only its own interest.

It doesn't make me feel better.  That is in no way an admission to anything.  But nice try to finagle your way out of it.  Whatever...

 

[swamt]

Do they dare raise the numbers closer towards the 20% marker?
 
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