Yes Or No Usairways Survives 2004

[PITbull]

Yes.

Why? Because Dr. Bonehead has a huge Ego and is trying to make a huge name for himself in Alabamer. Another reason is he would be crushed if he lost on any kind of a "risk" investment after he published in his newsletter how advantageous owning a "piece of the rock" is to Alabama pension holders.....

To witness the huge EGO, all one has to do is meet the guy just once.

If labor even gives in a little, this company will profit out the "ying/yang". That's why GE, RSA, Bank America are weighing heavily and not bailing out.

 

[cavalier]

To witness the huge EGO, all one has to do is meet the guy just once.

I get the feeling this is referring to number 3


e·go ("Æg$, egÆ$), n., pl. e·gos.
1. the “Iâ€￾ or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought.
2. Psychoanal. the part of the psychic apparatus that experiences and reacts to the outside world and thus mediates between the primitive drives of the id and the demands of the social and physical environment.
3. egotism; conceit; self-importance: Her ego becomes more unbearable each day.
4. self-esteem or self-image; feelings: Your criticism wounded his ego.
5. (often cap.) Philos.
a. the enduring and conscious element that knows experience.
b. Scholasticism. the complete person comprising both body and soul.
6. Ethnol. a person who serves as the central reference point in the study of organizational and kinship relationships.
[1780–90; < L: I; psychoanalytic term is trans. of G (das) Ich (the) I]

 

[N924PS]

The is no luck over here at WN. Our management team is aggressive and proactive if an opportunity presents itself they take it. We negotiate those corporate sponserships and for the right price who knows who the next sponser of the NFL could be? USAIR had it NASCAR sponsership that they gave up in 90' or 91' how big do you think that would be now?

Next , choice is a big factor everyone has there own likes and dislikes we are not everyones cup ot tea. Also, assuming "ingorance" over loyalty is, well frankly, ingorant. We have people that like flying us again, and again. Finally, to Mr Piney Bob, we prefer "desert brown" on our Classic style aircraft.

No question SWA is a good airline. One reason is the low expectation a customer has when riding on a SWA ticket. They don't offer much and the customer knows it.
So they can't complain about the food or the interline lost bag or the poor seat assignment.

But all is not well at SWA. The Flight Attendants have been pressing for a new working agreement that reflects their contribution to SWA's success. Will they obtain something close or seek self help? Also, when SWA pilots are making $179/hr in September while other LCC's and perhaps most Legacy Carriers are compenseated much lower will they be able to maintain their historically low Cost Per Seat Mile at around 7cents?

Sad irony for all former PSA employees. SWA is just PSA 30 years later. They took a great concept and exploited it to the max. Bravo Zulu SWA.

 

[WNjetdoc]

Hasn't changed in PHL yet, SWA is all "Smoke" there too. $421 versud 230.20 and no red eye, creating a total cost of $610.00 versus $230.20, I can fly to Ca almost 3 times on US compared to SWA.

Hollier than thou? Hmmm I'll take that under advisement. Not my intention, I do get sick and tired of the false aura around SWA and make no bones about it.

PineyBob, I've read your drivel and man are you ever paranoid. I guess because you have gotten your DELETED knocked in the dirt so many times I don't blame you, but you are obsessed with trying to slam SWA. You sound like a babbling idiot.

Don't blame SWA for your problems, look within, grasshopper. The answer is there. Oh yea, you can also blame your passengers that are tired of paying through the nose for flights. You can talk about smoke and mirrors and assigned seats all you want. Our flights are full and folks are happy, thus we the employees of SWA are happy. You, on the other hand, seem to be a very unhappy camper.

 

[Justaramper]

Edited by moderator...You ever say anything nice about anyone that is in management at USAirways..? Or is it an automatic hate relationship for you..?

 

[Fly]

Hey WNjetDoc....Piney is a LOYAL passenger of USAir, not an employee.

 

[SWAFA30]

I think that rather than taking PineyBob to task for his point of view...it is more important to understand why I think he and others who share his viewpoint feel the way that they do. First, as long as the typical race/religion/gender/sexual orientation boundaries are observed....people are entitled to express their opinion. Second, I have been a participant on this and a couple of other boards for awhile now and I have learned one thing. With little exception, people rarely change their points of view. The fact that our opinions are strong and deepseated is what compels most of us to post on these boards in the first place. Otherwise we would be content to simply lurk. I have seen threads strecth on for days....14 or 15 pages long.... Post after post information is conveyed, points of views are expressed but hardly ever are hearts and/or minds changed. When the topic finally runs out of steam, everyone still feels exactly the same as when they started. My point? Trying shout or shame someone into switching teams is an exercise in futility.

But, I digress. My point in writing was to say that I don't think those who choose not to patronize the SWA's of the world are not opposed to others doing so...at least not in principle. I think the source of irritation is that SWA, et al create an environment that are makes it increasingly difficult for the carriers they do choose to fly on survive. Ask most people who claim to hate Wal-Mart(A company SWA is frequently compared to) why they hate Wal-Mart and usually the first thing they will say is..."They move into small towns and run the Mom and Pop stores out of business". It isn't that these folks hate the fact that Wal-Mart offers low, low prices....what they take issue with is that because Wal-Mart offers such low, low prices....the corner market they have patronized for decades can no longer operate at a profit.

Joe and Susie Smalltown knew what Wal-Mart was before it was even built and came to town and they also knew they wanted no part of it...but it ended there. They were content to keep shopping at the small boutique market they loved and paying a little more for the extra niceities that the Wal-Mart could not provide. If their next door neighbors wanted to shop at the big box retailer...so be it...it's a free country...as long as Joe and Susie had a choice they were happy. It was only when their corner market was forced to close that Wal-Mart became the enemy.

Likewise, I honestly don't think those who chose not to fly SWA for so many years cared who we were or what we did until the "Southwest Effect" spread to the entire industry and became a symbol for a changing standard in air travel. As long as SWA was a quirkly little airline kicking up a ruckus down in Texas...all was well. However, when SWA and other LCCs encroached on legacy carriers "turf" to the point that the Legacy Carriers ability to offer an alternative to the SWA experience was threatened....once that happened....we found ourselves squarely in the cross hairs of the legacy faithful. That don't dislike SWA for being SWA...they dislike SWA because it could be said that SWA is keeping USAirways from being USAirways.

I'm just rambling here...am I making any sense?

 

[PITbull]

Edited by moderator...You ever say anything nice about anyone that is in management at USAirways..? Or is it an automatic hate relationship for you..?

Why don't you pose your question to Jerry Glass and ask him why he hates labor so much that he finds the need to make a living out of "busting" them.... :angry:

 

[PITbull]

SWAFA30,

You make perfect sense.

 

[E-TRONS]

Hell No!!!!! Because Southwest Airlines is the bestest airline in the country, and we are kicking a** in PHL!!!

WNforlife:

That's some way arrogant talk for an air-greyhound employee. I flew your little mud hens a few times and one time we got into some moderate turbulence. I was concerned that the captain never came off of the power.....I thought the wingtips were going to come off!!! But I guess he really was in a hurry to be somewhere so it must have been ok.


Do all UAIR people a favor and keep your boasting on the Southwest bb....not over here where we have enough of crap like that already :down:

Now Buzzoff :angry: !!

MW: You are indeed an upstart

 

[WNjetdoc]

SWAFA30,

You make perfect sense.

I agree, very good post.

 

[Dea Certe]

SWAFA30,

You made perfect sense.

SWA is not UAIR's problem. The problem with UAIR is its checkered past of arrogance, bad managment and poor decisions. Its refusal to make changes well over 10 years ago, when the writing was clearly on the walls, simply because "that's not the way we do things".

When Seth Schoefield introduced "Project Highground" and beat wings out of the California markets, shouldn't it have seen changes had to be made? It didn't take a crystal ball to see the industry was drastically changing. A perfectly good opportunity was squandered simply because US Air did not want to consider any of the good ways of doing business that PSA (the old one) and Piedmont (again, the old one) had used that made them successful.

For example, PSA was using ticket kiosks as far back as 1978, I believe.

What all the legacy carriers need to do is make flying simple. SWA has excelled at that. I don't believe it's "lowered expectations" that keeps SWA's customers happy. It's a simple and consistant service, pleasantly delivered.

SWA is not the enemy. It's just making the most out of what it does best.

USAirways, well, is USAirways. Complicated, confusing and still struggling to survive. I may be one of the few who actually believe USAirways can make it. It's got to start seeing its employees as the assets they are, listen to and impliment the good ideas the employees have offered.

Give the employees just a little bit of leeway when it comes to a service recovery situation.

The big problem now, is there time to do this? Will fuel prices continue to rise? I don't know.

Dea

 

[mweiss]

am I making any sense?

You make sense on pretty much all fronts. It's hard for me to fit the UALs of the world into the "mom & pop shop" analogy, but I understand where you're coming from.

 

[mweiss]

It's got to start seeing its employees as the assets they are, listen to and impliment the good ideas the employees have offered.
Give the employees just a little bit of leeway when it comes to a service recovery situation.

Yup. But there's no indication that they're going to. So then what?

 

[Seatacus]

Hey...you forgot say that there is a margin of error of +/- 100%. What a waste of a topic. <_<