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X- TWA flight attendants still hope to return to the skies
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I think for the most part we dont hear the evilness anymore. It seems the former TWA F/As are glad to be with AA, especially in these bad times. We dont talk about the senority issue. It's a done deal so why bring it up.
Also I have to say they are good workers and know the job well. You are always going to have a few bad apples in the bunch , thats a given. The former TWA F/A's are from the old school, if you will and have good job ethics. Just like the AA F/A's do....
Also I have to say they are good workers and know the job well. You are always going to have a few bad apples in the bunch , thats a given. The former TWA F/A's are from the old school, if you will and have good job ethics. Just like the AA F/A's do....
Happy New Year to you as well...
I say lets move on .... The past is the past... We can go back and forth on all these issues and never see eye to eye...
AA is a great airline... It's still a solvent company with a promissing future.
Oh and AA has flown to Stockholm out of ORD but cancelled it years ago... They have always been very conservative with the route network but with the BA alliance they use LHR as a hub to all those cities...feed them thru LHR...
I say lets move on .... The past is the past... We can go back and forth on all these issues and never see eye to eye...
AA is a great airline... It's still a solvent company with a promissing future.
Oh and AA has flown to Stockholm out of ORD but cancelled it years ago... They have always been very conservative with the route network but with the BA alliance they use LHR as a hub to all those cities...feed them thru LHR...
conniegirl
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Well as I said in my post, I think it's time to get on with it. We (well, actually, the employees) can fight the battles someplace other than the aircraft. You're right about the TWA people...most of the recalls are Old School and to discuss private issues in front of pax is unfortunate at best, and very rude. Had the flight attendant mentioned been a flying partner of mine I might have screwed up the courage to have pulled her to one side and told her to cool it.
I'll say this about our strike...we had these same issues and never, ever did I, or anyone I flew with, discuss the issues in front of our customers. We took our private grievances private - that's just common sense. Do not misunderstand me....I feel the TWA flight attendants have been handed a can of worms and if there are more furloughs, the AA people will no longer have that very convenient cushion they've used to their advantage for the past four years. When chickens come home to roost they usually poop all over things, and there is justice in this world after all. The AA flight attendants have had it made up to this point, but then that's for the active employees to work out.
All in all, since retiring, I've had nothing but nice treatment from everyone and I feel it's my job to shut my mouth (irrespective of my opinions) and graciously and gratefully use the pass benefits I have.
ConnieGirl
I hope no more furloughs..... I would hate to see anyone be put on the street and I sure do enjoy the rsv cushion.... Personally I think with all the leaves being offered , there will be no furloughs...
Well enjoy the passes... If TWA went out of business completely there would be no passes.....It's a good thing AA bought TWA .... now you have passes..
See, we'll never see eye to eye on things....
Well enjoy the passes... If TWA went out of business completely there would be no passes.....It's a good thing AA bought TWA .... now you have passes..
See, we'll never see eye to eye on things....
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<_< ------ Just a bet of trivia: -------TWA offered exPAN AM, & exEastern Airlines employees standby passes, and reduced rates, right up to the end! Just as a courtesy! One of the few differences in our Airline cultures! <_<
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Correction. While out on furlough for longer than four years, the last three without AA passes, my colleagues and I were (and still are) extended pass privileges through www.airlineretirees.com.
Through ARPB we have pass benefits on Delta, Frontier, JetBlue, Southwest, US Airways, QANTAS, SAA, Virgin Atlantic and others.
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<_< ------- My! My! MY!------ Just one less carrot AA has to dangle in front of our noses!!! 
Thank you Royal Ambassador!!!
Thank you Royal Ambassador!!!I'll settle this once and for all:
I was a Gold Ambassador on TWA through the mid to late 90s. They were an absolute PLEASURE to fly on - why, because they were trying to climb out of the hole they were in and everyone was pulling together. Yes there were some isolated incidents of not-so-friendly behavior, but that was the exception not the norm.
AA has never been "to the edge" like TWA, as such, our employees have not yet experienced the kind of pulling together and going the extra mile to really ramp the airline up (nor do we have any incentives of doing so, in light of management's PUP bonuses and "we pull, they win" philosophy.)
That said - in light of all things going on today at AA, they generally provide efficient, professional service comparable to all other US airlines. Mostly good, some not so good.
I've worked with both Native and ex TWA F/As and pilots. The overall impression I get is that the ex TWA F/As are really, really glad to be back working at something they love - and many times it shows in their desire to go the extra mile. I do see the "extra mile" syndrome a lot more in ex TWA F/As than Natives, probably because the Natives are so burnt out and not being recognized for going the extra mile. That will probably happen to the ex TWA F/As with time, eventually with enough "beatings until morale improves" the newness will wear off.
Bottom line - when everyone does their job in a professional manner, everyone wins regardless of airline background.
To all returning furloughees - welcome back. Happy 2009!
tfc
I was a Gold Ambassador on TWA through the mid to late 90s. They were an absolute PLEASURE to fly on - why, because they were trying to climb out of the hole they were in and everyone was pulling together. Yes there were some isolated incidents of not-so-friendly behavior, but that was the exception not the norm.
AA has never been "to the edge" like TWA, as such, our employees have not yet experienced the kind of pulling together and going the extra mile to really ramp the airline up (nor do we have any incentives of doing so, in light of management's PUP bonuses and "we pull, they win" philosophy.)
That said - in light of all things going on today at AA, they generally provide efficient, professional service comparable to all other US airlines. Mostly good, some not so good.
I've worked with both Native and ex TWA F/As and pilots. The overall impression I get is that the ex TWA F/As are really, really glad to be back working at something they love - and many times it shows in their desire to go the extra mile. I do see the "extra mile" syndrome a lot more in ex TWA F/As than Natives, probably because the Natives are so burnt out and not being recognized for going the extra mile. That will probably happen to the ex TWA F/As with time, eventually with enough "beatings until morale improves" the newness will wear off.
Bottom line - when everyone does their job in a professional manner, everyone wins regardless of airline background.
To all returning furloughees - welcome back. Happy 2009!
tfc
Connie,
This is the difference between what we (AAFAs) feel and what you (TWAFAs) do. I still look on it as a fair and equitable treatment of employees of an airline we acquired. It couldn't be more simple and you guys prove that everytime you open your mouths and label yourselves TWA. It was a different airline. At one time, it was a great airline. It no longer exists.
You guys helped build that airline up to the great airline it was and management decisions during the usual cyclical industry patterns put it out of business.
It wouldn't have been fair to the AA employees who were at the more solvent airline to lose seniority at THEIR airline.
I'm not top payscale and I lost a lot of my vacation. The former TWA folks get paid a helluva lot more to come to work than I do and they have some sweet vacation time. Such is life. I only wanted my seniority. I got it.
What you, and many other people that you used to work with fail to understand is what you tell us we fail to understand. At one time TWA had the top service in the industry. The TWA people coming to AA now are seeing a gutted version of what we were 10 years ago. We had a surplus of everything back then. As little as 10 years ago we were carving roasts in F. We had caviar on transcons. All of our cabin interiors were pristine. We had so many FAs working we tripped over each other. If a carpet got wet inflight or had a stain we'd report it and the first person at the open door when we pulled in was the cabin service guy with a carpet roll ready to replace it. We NEVER had an inop sticker on anything unless we placed it there on that flight. Whatever we tagged was immediately fixed when we arrived. Everything was managed down to the smallest factor and quality was always top notch.
I worked for 2 other airlines before this and one was a major. The quality of the AA operation was better than other airlines even during good times. I used to laugh at how spoiled the AAFAs were because they never had to experience a mismatched plane interior, a dirty plane, or improvise because they weren't given the products they needed on a flight. One of the reasons I think many FAs turned to the dark side and became uncaring is because in one fell swoop AA went from being top notch to mediocre and it was just too much for people that were used to having the best to become accustomed to. Those are the minority though. Others have learned to improvise and still manage to give the best service they can using what little they are given.
If 9/11 hadn't happened all of the competition and negativity wouldn't be an issue for most people.
I'm glad the US Congress decided to define "fair and equitable" and not you. APFA cannot do that again. By the way, John Ward in his written testimony to Congress labeled in bold headlines the transaction as a MERGER.
He wasn't too bright.
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