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WSJ: Delta, TPG Assessing Bids for American Airlines

I see the speculation continues and will at least until AA emerges and then longer....
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It is indeed very possible for any existing airline to buy AMR and obtain approval to do so with at least a certain amount of divestitures - but what is divested and what is kept makes the difference in how any potential merger could work. EVERY combination of AA with an existing network carrier will present antitrust issues that have to be addressed but all are possible.
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It is clear that DL's interest - involves the Latin system, LHR, and probably DFW for which DL still has a hole in its network in the southwest that hasn't been filled since it pulled down its own DFW hub. Given that those 3 entities plus ORD as a large focus operation and some of the LGA/JFK slots (DL is still below 50% of the slots at LGA and less than that at JFK so they do have some room to grow compared with UA at EWR and US at DCA), form 75% or more of the size of AA today, a merger or very large asset acquisition is possible. ORD-Asia and Europe is a valuable market to DL as well.
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But speculation about DL and AA as merger partners misses the fact that DL can obtain alot of strategic value simply by letting the creditors know that DL is interested and remains a very credible bidder and has a very strong track record in making mergers and acquisitions work. TPG is no slouch but let's not kid ourselves that they are interested in getting a return on their investment and will have to work with AA as it exists when it is acquired.
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DL's growth in NYC including to/from MIA/DFW and in Latin America (there will be further DL growth in the region) make it clear that AA will have to deal with DL as a strong and healthy competitor that will continue to chase AA's top revenue markets.
But a DL bid for AA - even if it never materializes has strategic value for DL with regard to other partners including VS, AS, WS and in Latin America. DL could win as much by obtaining closer cooperation from those partners - in some cases at AA's expense - than by acquiring AA.
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UA is not going to sit by silently in all of this and could also be quite interested in Latin America.
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AA will continue to be vulnerable to competitors as a result of being the only carrier that is restructuring at this time. The notion that AA will come out as it is now is not realistic. The rest of the industry will seek to gain what it needs to grow - and AA still has alot of premium revenue that is of interest to others... while AA will have to shrink in order to return to profitability. We'll know how much more in the next couple weeks.
Either way, AA's ability to defend itself as a smaller airline amidst strong competitors is even more compromised as it moves through the reorg process.
 
I see the speculation continues and will at least until AA emerges and then longer....
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It is indeed very possible for any existing airline to buy AMR and obtain approval to do so with at least a certain amount of divestitures - but what is divested and what is kept makes the difference in how any potential merger could work. EVERY combination of AA with an existing network carrier will present antitrust issues that have to be addressed but all are possible.
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It is clear that DL's interest - involves the Latin system, LHR, and probably DFW for which DL still has a hole in its network in the southwest that hasn't been filled since it pulled down its own DFW hub. Given that those 3 entities plus ORD as a large focus operation and some of the LGA/JFK slots (DL is still below 50% of the slots at LGA and less than that at JFK so they do have some room to grow compared with UA at EWR and US at DCA), form 75% or more of the size of AA today, a merger or very large asset acquisition is possible. ORD-Asia and Europe is a valuable market to DL as well.
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But speculation about DL and AA as merger partners misses the fact that DL can obtain alot of strategic value simply by letting the creditors know that DL is interested and remains a very credible bidder and has a very strong track record in making mergers and acquisitions work. TPG is no slouch but let's not kid ourselves that they are interested in getting a return on their investment and will have to work with AA as it exists when it is acquired.
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DL's growth in NYC including to/from MIA/DFW and in Latin America (there will be further DL growth in the region) make it clear that AA will have to deal with DL as a strong and healthy competitor that will continue to chase AA's top revenue markets.
But a DL bid for AA - even if it never materializes has strategic value for DL with regard to other partners including VS, AS, WS and in Latin America. DL could win as much by obtaining closer cooperation from those partners - in some cases at AA's expense - than by acquiring AA.
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UA is not going to sit by silently in all of this and could also be quite interested in Latin America.
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AA will continue to be vulnerable to competitors as a result of being the only carrier that is restructuring at this time. The notion that AA will come out as it is now is not realistic. The rest of the industry will seek to gain what it needs to grow - and AA still has alot of premium revenue that is of interest to others... while AA will have to shrink in order to return to profitability. We'll know how much more in the next couple weeks.
Either way, AA's ability to defend itself as a smaller airline amidst strong competitors is even more compromised as it moves through the reorg process.

Yep, Latin America was so great UA dumped hubs and routes.., :lol:
 
The judge won't FORCE anything. He ensures that whatever happens is in conformity with the law... and the creditors are who will seek to recover as much as possible while the company will seek to reduce its debt the greatest amount.
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Indeed, AA's greatest strategic success by driving UA out of MIA-Latin America was also UA's greatest strategic failure. After picking up the pieces of Pan AM's Latin system, within not too many years UA had dropped to the #4 carrier between the US and Latin America and was pushed out of the key MIA market. It was only through the CO merger that UA regained a respectable #2 position in Latin America but w/o the necessary MIA presence.
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It is precisely because AA is so strong in Latin America and has a monopoly among US carriers in MIA-Latin America (the only global region where a US carrier has no competition from the largest gateway to the region - ie there is healthy competition among US carriers between NYC and Europe and LAX to Asia) and the likely movement of LanTam to oneworld that the other US carrier positions in Latin America are threatened - and will have to react to protect their ability to compete or face relegation. Remember that UA could lose dramatically if LanTam moves to oneworld and UA has no actual or alliance presence in S. Florida.
Skyteam is trying to cobble together a presence from MIA-Latin America but will never be able to meaningfully compete against AA and LanTam unless DL commits a whole lot of resources to a dramatic and costly buildup of MIA.
It would be far cheaper for either carrier to just buy AA or reduce AA's strength sufficiently so that someone else could viably compete in MIA-Latin America.
The same principle applies to LHR - AA and BA combined control so much of the market and the other 3 major players - DL, UA, and VS - are so split that someone will move to protect their ability to compete. The only saving grace is that they all do serve most of the major LHR gateways.
The west coast and Asia could also all be key points for other carriers vs AA during AA's restructuring.
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What happens during AA's BK must be viewed through the strategic implications and options that are available to other carriers. If they act strategically, they have the potential to position themselves in the industry much stronger at the expense of AA.
That is the nature of what cmpanies do in highly competitive industries. To not expect that will happen here would be quite naive.
 
Lets match W2's across the board including retirement, healthcare and workrules.

You and your Cactus mangy stray dogs should have imploded even after you latched yourselves onto the goverment teat for post 9/11 money while AA did not. Luckily for you, AW and U didn't, yet AA has still had to match your fares after your screwed your fellow taxpayers with your employees pensions and healthcare. Usair's only success since the idiotic merge with Piedmont by Colodny, destroy a good airline in the process, has been to have their employees work for less.


Take it somewhere else sport.

Let's match after you guys get pillaged and pilfered in Chapter 11. How about just hope you have a job if Delta carves your butts up. You folks are in Chapter 11. Hasn't settled into your AArongant heads. You and your sympathizers are in no shape to criticize anyone. I really wouldn't want to be linked with your broke as#%ss either, but I have no say in that. I will agree that Colodny's legacy lends itself to US's position as a smaller carrier but hey: It is what it is. But kill your cockiness cause you're gonna get raped!
 
I'm not wishing bad Karma on anyone but remember when Pan Am went Bankrupt and Delta picked up the pieces. They rehired only a handful of exPan Am Employees. Delta will do the same to AA that AA did to ex TWA employees only a handful of employees will stay and the few that do get stapled. History repeats itself. Good luck To the thousands that will get kicked to the curb Mcdonalds and Publix is always hiring. I Love Karma. If this is not Karma I don't know what is.

I can only speak for the F/A's, but there were many more than a "handful" and those that came were not stapled; they were slotted in a ratio. Believe me-nobody was happy (I was there) except the top 3,000 at DL who were protected. The slotting started at 3001, so everyone who was slotted (PA) and those below 3,000 (DL) were not happy-but we moved on.


All the above can make all the noise and proposal's they want, but AA has esclusivity rights for 120 days to 18 months. Of all the creditors there is only 9 creditors on the commitie, 3 unions and PBCG who are in sync Boeing, HP, who holds all the IT contracts, Willmington Trust, Bank of NY Mellon, and maunfactures trust. These 9 creditors on the commitie get to vote. The AA board want's to keep AA a stand alone, but one can try. DAL,TPG,US and who have you must be able to make a case and prove to the Judge this a better deal and after AA has presented there new business plan, and AA is till working on A/C lease's, the new plan has yet to be presented to the court, thus no sec 1113 yet. Horton has said he is looking at 12-18 months in BK, it could be a little less or more, the Judge's docket shows hearings scheduled up to 12/12 at this time.

AA being the DIP, has no restrictions and doesn't have to answer to anyone.

DAL's and all the others being very different than AA's, creditors were in favor of a US/DAL however, DAL's BOD voted against it.

Rearding AA's union contracts, this time AA must prove they need what they are assking before unlike normal nego.

Sean Lane the BK Judge, is very dilibrate, want's all the fact's and doens't like to be rushed and as most know he is new and this is his first airline and big case.

This is all good and well, but NOTHING surprises me anymore in this country. If they look at each market (which they do) and not the overall system (which they don't), DL/AA could get rid of enough slots/gates in certain markets, mostly NYC, to appease regulators. Does anybody think that AA management might also want to merge with DL to avoid merging with someone else or coming out of BK the smallest of the Big 3? Nobody on here is privy to that information, but it would be interesting. DL's merger with NW was a walk in the park compared to what we have so far at UAL: no joint contracts and the possibility of years of negotiations (especially pilots and F/A's). OTOH, with the rise of the Middle East carriers, who's to say that AF/KL and BA aren't pushing for more/stronger partners to help them compete with the likes of Etihad, Qatar, and Emirates? We heard merger rumors weekly at DL and UA, to which our management always said "we have no intention of merging with anyone at this time. We plan on becoming a strong stand-alone airline with great hubs, better service, and a strong balance sheet". We all know how that turned out.
 
Yet another twist: American Airlines is better off flying solo,
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/01/17/american-airlines-merger/?source=yahoo_quote
 
Yet another twist: American Airlines is better off flying solo,
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/01/17/american-airlines-merger/?source=yahoo_quote
I heard an interesting twist to all this. The reason DL and US are interested in buying AA is because they are worried when AA comes out of BK they will come out lean and mean with a young fleet
 
I heard an interesting twist to all this. The reason DL and US are interested in buying AA is because they are worried when AA comes out of BK they will come out lean and mean with a young fleet

That is probably correct ... once AA dumps all the employee pensions, drops their retirement healthcare benefits and slashes wages 25% I see no need for a merger. Should be smooth sailing for the next decade.
 
I heard an interesting twist to all this. The reason DL and US are interested in buying AA is because they are worried when AA comes out of BK they will come out lean and mean with a young fleet
I do believe Southwest is worried about that also. It's posted and buried in another thread somewhere.
 
That is probably correct ... once AA dumps all the employee pensions, drops their retirement healthcare benefits and slashes wages 25% I see no need for a merger. Should be smooth sailing for the next decade.

Only 25% pay cut??? Why not 75%
LOL LOL LMAO
 
Nope .... your total pay package cut will be around 25-35%. Ask any present or former UA/US/CO/DL/NW employee. Been there done it.
Why is it so obvious that this AA bankruptcy is going to mirror those carriers ? Could there be any differences?
 
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