Word is AA/US have settled with the DOJ
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/regulators-outline-amr-us-airways-meger-settlement-2013-11-12?siteid=yhoof2
Jetblue gets reagan,,,southwest gets lag
Jetblue gets reagan,,,southwest gets lag
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Today DAL..then tomorrow DL conquers the world.
If you watch this video from CNBC He mentions the 104 slots.cltrat said:
The 2 gates are from Dal. I meant the entire divesture concessions are humongous, not just the 2 gates at LF:
[video] AMR, US Airways reach settlement: Faber
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104 slots are the 52 slot pairs at DCA.
Given that new AA will not have the slots to fly to its own hubs and a bunch of other carrier's hubs - including DL's - then DL certainly got a big break from this deal.
And it is very possible that DL could win a bunch of slots for small/medium service with RJs from DCA.
As for Love Field, DL will only grow DAL with it very possibly being at least a 717 destination from ATL at least once they can upgauge the flight. Given that WN is not going to be in a position to add large numbers of flights to any destination from DAL, DL can probably get by with a half dozen flights to ATL which leaves space even with one gate for flights to at least one other city... and DL could be able to use more than one gate. DL's flights from DFW to DTW have also been very strong of late and DL is adding more and more capacity so the chances of service to hubs besides ATL are pretty good.
whether DL conquers the world or not, AA/US will not be near as large on the east coast as many said they would and DL does benefit from that.MetalMover said:
Given that new AA will not have the slots to fly to its own hubs and a bunch of other carrier's hubs - including DL's - then DL certainly got a big break from this deal.
And it is very possible that DL could win a bunch of slots for small/medium service with RJs from DCA.
As for Love Field, DL will only grow DAL with it very possibly being at least a 717 destination from ATL at least once they can upgauge the flight. Given that WN is not going to be in a position to add large numbers of flights to any destination from DAL, DL can probably get by with a half dozen flights to ATL which leaves space even with one gate for flights to at least one other city... and DL could be able to use more than one gate. DL's flights from DFW to DTW have also been very strong of late and DL is adding more and more capacity so the chances of service to hubs besides ATL are pretty good.
52 Slots divested at DCA, of which 8 are already subleased to JetBlue, which would equal the net loss of 44 slots.
AA also does not have to "give up" the slots, but can lease them to an APPROVED carrier with limited service into the airport. Which means that if DL and VX are the only two carriers that apply for a given set of slots, VX would more than likely be the operator to win them.
17 slots are being given up at LGA, which could be taken care of by up gauging, and reducing frequency of some of the "Shuttle" flights as well as lopping off a couple more small stations and eliminating duplicated routes like DFW/ORD/CLT.
All of the rest of the divestitures are only giving up gate space, which will not greatly reduce the number of frequencies. Especially when you keep in mind the number of duplicated hub to hub flights that will be dropped. And consider that AA still had not committed to a schedule out of DAL when Wright restrictions are eased.
AA also does not have to "give up" the slots, but can lease them to an APPROVED carrier with limited service into the airport. Which means that if DL and VX are the only two carriers that apply for a given set of slots, VX would more than likely be the operator to win them.
17 slots are being given up at LGA, which could be taken care of by up gauging, and reducing frequency of some of the "Shuttle" flights as well as lopping off a couple more small stations and eliminating duplicated routes like DFW/ORD/CLT.
All of the rest of the divestitures are only giving up gate space, which will not greatly reduce the number of frequencies. Especially when you keep in mind the number of duplicated hub to hub flights that will be dropped. And consider that AA still had not committed to a schedule out of DAL when Wright restrictions are eased.
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That wasn't AA that said that was UsAir that said if we merged they would keep Tulsa at 90% capacity for 2 years with no layoffs.iluvaa said:
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yes, AA has to return all of the slots which it is not selling to the DOJ. The DOJ will reallocate the slots.
And yes small carriers at those airports will have preference but I can assure you that the priority for the DOT will be for small/medium sized city service which will give carriers with RJs including RJs an advantage over low fare carriers who can make the economics of a large jet aircraft work only with flights to large cities.
The LGA divestiture basically just means that the combined AA/US operation will not be bigger than the sum of its parts.
The DCA divestitures will mean that AA/US will be much smaller at DCA than the sum of the parts and that other carriers including legacy/network carriers will grow their presence there.
Gate divestitures are probably only significant at DAL but it very well may that AA is giving up the right to operate from Love Field which is a very significant move.
Given that AA is gaining some gates at LAX in the TBIT, the loss of US' gates is immaterial.
And yes small carriers at those airports will have preference but I can assure you that the priority for the DOT will be for small/medium sized city service which will give carriers with RJs including RJs an advantage over low fare carriers who can make the economics of a large jet aircraft work only with flights to large cities.
The LGA divestiture basically just means that the combined AA/US operation will not be bigger than the sum of its parts.
The DCA divestitures will mean that AA/US will be much smaller at DCA than the sum of the parts and that other carriers including legacy/network carriers will grow their presence there.
Gate divestitures are probably only significant at DAL but it very well may that AA is giving up the right to operate from Love Field which is a very significant move.
Given that AA is gaining some gates at LAX in the TBIT, the loss of US' gates is immaterial.
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I do remember this.AA Tulsa Mechanic said:
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Well, US/AA agreed to the terms. So apparently it is not crap according to them.bikeguy said:
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