WN Mechanics seek mediation

[Topcat187]

30 years ago an old mechanic told me to stay clear of aa. He said it was a nightmare with union politics and disgruntled employees. I see nothing has changed. He worked two years and quit. Glad I took his advise

It seems like SWA is headed right down the same road.

 

[B737 driver]

It seems like SWA is headed right down the same road.

I think it's because we are a legacy carrier now, and the company wants to pay x number of dollars, and we have not yet reached the conclusion that is the threshold we can achieve, and that's it. Until we do , we will sit.

 

[Topcat187]

I think it's because we are a legacy carrier now, and the company wants to pay x number of dollars, and we have not yet reached the conclusion that is the threshold we can achieve, and that's it. Until we do , we will sit.

SWA contracts out much more than any other airline as far as I know. For the company to want even more while they make record profits is criminal!

 

[Birdman]

Birdman I really can't understand some guys logic, I understand scope language, but has anyone really analyzed the scope changes the company wants, and not just guess and do fear mongering. I can't believe if this really got to 7 years or more, that you guys have no problem with the economic loss. You know you will not get full retro pay.

I’ve heard in the past that there was fear mongering spread by hardcore unionists that proved to be totally false after the contract passed. What seems to be on everyone’s mind now is that no one knows for sure what the company will do with the scope language they desire. Personally I don’t think they know but they want the latitude to do it when they figure it out. Sure, that puts us in a position we don’t want to be in so here we are 5+ years and no end in sight. In one resounding voice with an overwhelming NO VOTE let’s tell the company the uncertainty of their proposal is unacceptable.

 

[B737 driver]

I’ve heard in the past that there was fear mongering spread by hardcore unionists that proved to be totally false after the contract passed. What seems to be on everyone’s mind now is that no one knows for sure what the company will do with the scope language they desire. Personally I don’t think they know but they want the latitude to do it when they figure it out. Sure, that puts us in a position we don’t want to be in so here we are 5+ years and no end in sight. In one resounding voice with an overwhelming NO VOTE let’s tell the company the uncertainty of their proposal is unacceptable.

However when gets drawn out , longer and longer people get desperate, I am o.k., sure I would like a raise to increase my 401 k contribution. I don't know how bad the AMFA 18 guys homes were damaged. If you don't have flood insurance you are on your own.

 

[swamt]

No you need the clue. Law firms are not designed to provide you Liberal Social Justice. They're in it for the money. And they make "suggestions" based on being able to continually make money. So you're being naive to think they're absolutely giving your (mostly uneducated) Negotiators the best advice to end this now over 5 year fiasco. (You guys are their Cash Cow)

BTW the Negotiating Team is in charge? I thought it was the Members who were supposed to ultimately be in charge?

Sounds like you have another typical industrial Union on your hands over there.

No weez and you know it. The nego team at the table is in charge for us. We as members have given them our priorities and they are working them as the membership has voted on all items. Get off the Law firm fiasco you are trying to induce here, not gonna work weez, and never has.

 

[swamt]

SWA contracts out much more than any other airline as far as I know. For the company to want even more while they make record profits is criminal!

SWA does not outsource more than any other airline. UPS, FedEx, Alaska, JetBlue, Allegiant, Spirit, US Airways, Sun Country, and maybe even UAL sends more of their maint. outsourcing. However, with that said SWA does send out the majority of their maint to 3rd party maint than maybe the three biggies. And yes it is criminal...

 

[B737 driver]

SWA does not outsource more than any other airline. UPS, FedEx, Alaska, JetBlue, Allegiant, Spirit, US Airways, Sun Country, and maybe even UAL sends more of their maint. outsourcing. However, with that said SWA does send out the majority of their maint to 3rd party maint than maybe the three biggies. And yes it is criminal...

SWA has always done that, you know that.So we try to keep what you can, but you get to point you make a deal. I think the negotiating committee realizes that, so it comes ti how much money can you get.

 

[I'll have another]

It seems like SWA is headed right down the same road.

Sure seems that way

 

[I'll have another]

I’ve heard in the past that there was fear mongering spread by hardcore unionists that proved to be totally false after the contract passed. What seems to be on everyone’s mind now is that no one knows for sure what the company will do with the scope language they desire. Personally I don’t think they know but they want the latitude to do it when they figure it out. Sure, that puts us in a position we don’t want to be in so here we are 5+ years and no end in sight. In one resounding voice with an overwhelming NO VOTE let’s tell the company the uncertainty of their proposal is unacceptable.

Don't want this scope language changed,"The Company shall not contract out work when such contracting out results, or will result, in a reduction in force for any Employee covered by this Agreement." That''s the jewel of the scope language. Article 5 has a nice little statement," The Company has the right to realign maintenance stations during the annual rebid with no change in station headcount or change in individual classification headcount." That sounds like station protection to me.

 

[I'll have another]

SWA contracts out much more than any other airline as far as I know. For the company to want even more while they make record profits is criminal!

Fleet size: 700plus. 75 to 80 percent outsourced.

 

[I'll have another]

Check out Sept''s System Board. Page after page of outsouracing grievances

 

[Topcat187]

Don't want this scope language changed,"The Company shall not contract out work when such contracting out results, or will result, in a reduction in force for any Employee covered by this Agreement." That''s the jewel of the scope language. Article 5 has a nice little statement," The Company has the right to realign maintenance stations during the annual rebid with no change in station headcount or change in individual classification headcount." That sounds like station protection to me.

But the question is, will they backfill attritian? If not, they are asking you to sellout the future of AMTs. And not to mention nobody will ever move up in seniority.

 

[B737 driver]

But the question is, will they backfill attritian? If not, they are asking you to sellout the future of AMTs. And not to mention nobody will ever move up in seniority.

I am not in Dallas how many Old guys work in the slide shop, the coffee maker shop, the engine shop, if this next contract whenever that comes they take the money and run, and the company decides to contract some of that out, through attrition ?

 

[I'll have another]

But the question is, will they backfill attritian? If not, they are asking you to sellout the future of AMTs. And not to mention nobody will ever move up in seniority.

Presently, swa is obligated to a miserable low 2.75 mechanics per aircraft. Currently, we are at 3.3 or 385 mechanics over the 2.75. Yet sWA is obligated to the seniority list doing work that is customarily done by us. SWA wants to keep the 2.75 but not be obligated to the seniority list doing all the customary work. In other words higher percentage of outsourcing. More money for more outsourcing. And they want station realignments,or a bumping fiasco.