WN Mechanics seek mediation

Once again, what union?
If you had to replace your beloved amfa that can do no wrong, which one would you want? I'll give you a choice. IAM, TWU, SWAPA, IBT, or my favorite THE SWAMP (Southwest Airlines Maintenace Professionals) and you can be my greatest cheerleader.
 
AMFA has never said no to the pilots option. It was simply discussed as an option, and put on the back burner. Good God you and the other guy with the strike issues. Just attend the road shows and you will get brought up to date, more so than just the written updates from the Nationals web site.
If you read my post I said there will not be a strike or a strike vote, SWA has had one mechanics strike in 1980, it lasted 1 week. What I said is everyone is scared of that, too much money involved to lose! I asked what do you do if the company only comes so far and that's it, what do you do?
 
You guys are so full of it. You don't even have the votes to recall one single airline rep.
If everyone was so upset, that would be the easiest option. So tell me how many signatures you have to recall any airline rep or any one on the negotiation committee?

Yeah, that's what I thought, you are full of it.

You can BS on here but you cant even start a recall.
 
An airline rep was recalled from local 11 years ago, so don't act like it cant be done.
When people are really upset its pretty easy to do. So put your signature where your mouth is and recall one .
 
If you don't like the way your airline rep is negotiating, recall him or vote to replace him.
If you don't like your national leaders, recall or vote them out.
If you don't like your legal representatives, demand that your national leaders fire them. if they wont, recall or replace those leaders and vote in ones that will.

These things are very easy if you had the support that you claim.

But let me tell you what isn't easy.
If you replace this union that is ran and controlled by SWA mechanics and install one of the alphabet groups listed earlier, you will NEVER be able to recall or replace those union bosses or negotiators or legal representatives. And you will not have a say in how your dues money is spent or help decide any direction the union will take on anything unless you, again, go and vote out the whole new union to be replaced by another big bloated industrial union that only wants your dues.
 
If you don't like the way your airline rep is negotiating, recall him or vote to replace him.
If you don't like your national leaders, recall or vote them out.
If you don't like your legal representatives, demand that your national leaders fire them. if they wont, recall or replace those leaders and vote in ones that will.

These things are very easy if you had the support that you claim.

But let me tell you what isn't easy.
If you replace this union that is ran and controlled by SWA mechanics and install one of the alphabet groups listed earlier, you will NEVER be able to recall or replace those union bosses or negotiators or legal representatives. And you will not have a say in how your dues money is spent or help decide any direction the union will take on anything unless you, again, go and vote out the whole new union to be replaced by another big bloated industrial union that only wants your dues.
I get how it works. The majority have nothing to do with the union. The majority don't even bother to vote. The majority couldn't even tell you two of the names on the negotiating committee. But, the majority will lash out if they get screwed with a lousy T/A. It isn't gonna be a recall process, it will be a replace process. AMFA has had it easy at swa so far. This front to back contract change is the big test. If they bring home the bacon sort of speak they will stay. If not, they won't last long. The majority could careless about recall, or how the money is controlled and so on. They want job security, competitive wages, decent work rules. The inside workings of a union is meaningless to the majority.
 
I get how it works. The majority have nothing to do with the union. The majority don't even bother to vote. The majority couldn't even tell you two of the names on the negotiating committee. But, the majority will lash out if they get screwed with a lousy T/A. It isn't gonna be a recall process, it will be a replace process. AMFA has had it easy at swa so far. This front to back contract change is the big test. If they bring home the bacon sort of speak they will stay. If not, they won't last long. The majority could careless about recall, or how the money is controlled and so on. They want job security, competitive wages, decent work rules. The inside workings of a union is meaningless to the majority.
We are waiting on a T/A to vote on, we do not want excuses, we already had a replacement of the officers in the last election, nobody here wants Northwest Airlines, we want results, everyone I talked too and we are all talking among ourselves will wait until we have a contract and if it a turd kick them out, like when we conveniently kicked the Teamsters out in 2003 after they got us a contract, and AMFA swooped into the rescue, see when have to do full contract negotiations and not just an extension , it doesn't go so well, so go back and tell that to the pom pom supporters!
 
You guys are so full of it. You don't even have the votes to recall one single airline rep.
If everyone was so upset, that would be the easiest option. So tell me how many signatures you have to recall any airline rep or any one on the negotiation committee?

Yeah, that's what I thought, you are full of it.

You can BS on here but you cant even start a recall.
Hope everyone is safe in Texas I see Hobby is closed till August 30 th because of flooding I imagine this will have an impact on our 3rd quarter earnings !, stay safe!
 
If you read my post I said there will not be a strike or a strike vote, SWA has had one mechanics strike in 1980, it lasted 1 week. What I said is everyone is scared of that, too much money involved to lose! I asked what do you do if the company only comes so far and that's it, what do you do?
You either accept the terms or you continue with the process of the RLA. If the NMB calls an impasse, arbitration is offered, then PEB if the president appoints one, then 30 day cooling down, then self help. In self help there is no contract. You are an at will employee. The company can lockout and the union can strike if an authorization vote is had beforehand and the National Director calls for a strike. That's it. The contract goes in the trash if it gets to self help. Along with seniority, wage rates, work and wage rules. The RLA, of course is in the company's favor especially when you get to self help. Mainly because of the small work group and the massive outsourcing SWA has inplace. It's obvious by now the company is going to reset maintenance with higher percentages of outsourcing one way or the other. We either accept or eventually fight them on a strike line. I still believe that a strike authorization vote is in order after 5 years. "Let the membership decide the direction". Isn't that what AMFA boast?
 
A friend of mine at Southwest told me that the company is taking care of all of its employees in Houston. Must be just really terrible to work for a Company like that. I wonder if AMFA has mobilized in an effort to help its members down there. Somehow I doubt it!
 
You either accept the terms or you continue with the process of the RLA. If the NMB calls an impasse, arbitration is offered, then PEB if the president appoints one, then 30 day cooling down, then self help. In self help there is no contract. You are an at will employee. The company can lockout and the union can strike if an authorization vote is had beforehand and the National Director calls for a strike. That's it. The contract goes in the trash if it gets to self help. Along with seniority, wage rates, work and wage rules. The RLA, of course is in the company's favor especially when you get to self help. Mainly because of the small work group and the massive outsourcing SWA has inplace. It's obvious by now the company is going to reset maintenance with higher percentages of outsourcing one way or the other. We either accept or eventually fight them on a strike line. I still believe that a strike authorization vote is in order after 5 years. "Let the membership decide the direction". Isn't that what AMFA boast?
We would take a crap deal before people would walk AMFA knows that, the company knows that, and once that happens and people realize that AMFA is like the great and powerful Oz, then what happens ?
 
We would take a crap deal before people would walk AMFA knows that, the company knows that, and once that happens and people realize that AMFA is like the great and powerful Oz, then what happens ?
AMFA came to SWA with eyes wide open. They knew of the massive outsourcing and small work group. I won't accept any excuses from them. Eventually you will hear, this is the best we could do. It's coming.
 
AMFA came to SWA with eyes wide open. They knew of the massive outsourcing and small work group. I won't accept any excuses from them. Eventually you will hear, this is the best we could do. It's coming.
Oh you know that's coming, this was their we are not like the industrial unions, but when you are faced with self help, which would be failure on their part and the negotiating committee that has to work under this language they will decide that a best they can get and hope they survive is better than the alternative of losing their membership livelihoods and if they get replaced they will still survive to eventually try to organize someone else 5 to 6 years down the road, in their minds they lost a battle they didn't lose the war!
 
A friend of mine at Southwest told me that the company is taking care of all of its employees in Houston. Must be just really terrible to work for a Company like that. I wonder if AMFA has mobilized in an effort to help its members down there. Somehow I doubt it!
Where the rubber meets the road is does our union try to help, or does SWA do it all that will speak volumes who cares and who does not, I saw when I made a comment about Houston , didn't get one feed back from the pom pom group on here, sad !
 
Where the rubber meets the road is does our union try to help, or does SWA do it all that will speak volumes who cares and who does not, I saw when I made a comment about Houston , didn't get one feed back from the pom pom group on here, sad !
I think they threw their pom poms away and went home. The truth has sent them free!
 

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