WN Mechanics seek mediation

[Go Figure]

You hypocritical POS. You write this on our pages and think you can defend your Union and dismiss everyone else's opinions? Again what a POS.

"Couldn't agree more Tray. But it seems that is exactly where the company is going. The membership should be asking where in the hell is our industry leading offer from the company? Parker promised it, and if this asso. does not demand it for you guys, then I say X-out this asso. Remember the card drive at United with the reamsters promising everything under the sun? And once they voted in a contract it was the exact opposite. That's right folks, no pension, no industry leading as guaranteed by the reamsters at all. Now the asso. (TWU/IAM) are fixin to do the same with you guys. Pls do not let it happen. Hold strong and demand in all areas of your contract to be industry leading in all articles,otherwise, it is NOT industry leading, period..."



You can say the EXACT same thing about AMFA you hypocrite POS.

I think swamt better send out correction. The UAL technicians did get pension program in the JCBA ratified on 12-5-16. They are now in pension program like CAL technicians. The only Mx group in the large airlines. Still have 401k match. The UAL guys made out better than CAL guys but goal was to get groups together and bring all up. Just correcting misinformation on forums. Attack on.

 

[Go Figure]

I actually agree with that. It is subjective.
All I can say at this point is that I will know it when I see it.
And right now I don't see it.

What is the number?? Curious. From reading forums that is #1 full retro. Based on what number? Trying to bring in perspective. Attack but bringing in reality and expectations that are very widespread. Members let emotions take over. Stay focused and centered on issue. Wish the SWA members well but long curvy road ahead with all dilemmas I already addressed .

 

[Go Figure]

I never suggested selling scope for money, I just didn't want the scope being tied to a pay rate , I wanted to get the scope secured with the best we can get without being tied to a pay rate!

U need to come to reality. It is all tied if you want to admit or not. Members want everything and management wants it all. Middle of road somewhere. That's why it's called bargaining for the benefit of the whole membership. Good and bad both sides!!

 

[B737 driver]

What is the number?? Curious. From reading forums that is #1 full retro. Based on what number? Trying to bring in perspective. Attack but bringing in reality and expectations that are very widespread. Members let emotions take over. Stay focused and centered on issue. Wish the SWA members well but long curvy road ahead with all dilemmas I already addressed .

No we just have questions, it would be nice to know,what the 737 Max maint program is going to consist of, that way you know how to precede on scope, but I don't think it will be much different than the 800, have we started c checks on the -800s yet ?

 

[Go Figure]

It is reality but this is the first time amfa SWA mx been in full section 6 bargaining negotiations. They have lived on previous agreement from early 2000 and threw extensions for wage / compensation increases and LOA. On open up for contract full open for renogiation. Obviously the comment about the NC outgunned is nowhere near T/A. The legal advice group to committee?? Road taken?? Outside perspective looking in and long road ahead.

 

[Birdman]

I actually agree with that. It is subjective.
All I can say at this point is that I will know it when I see it.
And right now I don't see it.

Would the pilots Ratification Bonus qualify for full retro?

•  Bonus payments will be made to all pilots who were employed by Southwest from September 2013 through September 2016 – the Ratification Bonus Period.
  
  
•  Pilots who incurred military service during the retroactive period will be paid based on "deemed compensation."
  
  
•  Former AirTran pilots who had not transitioned from AirTran prior to September 2013 will qualify for a bonus payment for the period they were still at AirTran.
  
  
•  There are three separate periods – 9/1/13-9/30/14 (RBP1), 10/1/14-9/30/15 (RBP2) and 10/1/15-9/30/16 (RBP3) – for which Bonus payments are calculated.
  
  
•  Ratification Bonuses will be based on each pilot’s income from Southwest (or AirTran) for each month of the Ratification Bonus Period.
  
  
•  The following percentages will be applied to actual pilot pay for each period to calculate their Ratification Bonus:
  

o RBP1:3.0%
o RBP2:7.12%(3%plus4%compounded)
o RBP3: 11.41% (3% plus 4% plus 4% compounded)

•  The Ratification Bonus income is eligible for 401(k) contributions at the current rate of 9.3% and is also eligible for profit sharing payments.
  
  
•  Pay rate increases:
  o 10/1/16:15%(Snap-up)
  
  o 9/1/17: 3%
  o 9/1/18: 3%
  o 9/1/19: 3%
  o 9/1/20: 3% (This is a post amendable raise)
  
  
•  The 15% snap up raise equals annual raises of 3%, 4%, 4% and 3.2% compounded.
  
  
•  The total compounded rate for the raises is 29.4% achieved with the post amendable raise on 10/1/20.
  

 

[sendmeupacrowsfoot]

It is reality but this is the first time amfa SWA mx been in full section 6 bargaining negotiations. They have lived on previous agreement from early 2000 and threw extensions for wage / compensation increases and LOA. On open up for contract full open for renogiation. Obviously the comment about the NC outgunned is nowhere near T/A. The legal advice group to committee?? Road taken?? Outside perspective looking in and long road ahead.

Renogiation tasks hurriedly thru shallow keisters. Approximately null until further outcomes. Nothing short stands near in glass hollows. Extra innings allow for extra compensation increases?? Ur probably right.

 

[swamt]

If the company does not want to negotiate in good faith, it's called union busting. After almost six years since section 6 started, a strike authorization vote is in order.

Really? Who the fuk are you saying we need a strike vote? You want a strike vote? Go scream your strike vote on the floor and see what happens to ya. Get a clue man. Your propaganda will not work. And no it is not called union busting moron, it's called stalling tactics as we have all said from day one. Where the hell have you been? Oh, never mind you just chimed in, I got it now... Not going to work junior--get a clue.

I never suggested selling scope for money, I just didn't want the scope being tied to a pay rate , I wanted to get the scope secured with the best we can get without being tied to a pay rate!

I understand. But, never try to rush the scope language. It's more important than the pay scale at this point. Let our NC get the job done at the table, not here in internet land.

No we just have questions, it would be nice to know,what the 737 Max maint program is going to consist of, that way you know how to precede on scope, but I don't think it will be much different than the 800, have we started c checks on the -800s yet ?

So you are this far gone on knowing if we even have started maint. on the 800's yet? And yet you demand that we get the scope done, and also admit knowing nothing about the new Max maint. Pls dude stop with the rush to get the scope done. You are obviously clueless on what's really going on with our maint. so pls just stop with your mission...

 

[swamt]

Would the pilots Ratification Bonus qualify for full retro?

•  Bonus payments will be made to all pilots who were employed by Southwest from September 2013 through September 2016 – the Ratification Bonus Period.
  
  
•  Pilots who incurred military service during the retroactive period will be paid based on "deemed compensation."
  
  
•  Former AirTran pilots who had not transitioned from AirTran prior to September 2013 will qualify for a bonus payment for the period they were still at AirTran.
  
  
•  There are three separate periods – 9/1/13-9/30/14 (RBP1), 10/1/14-9/30/15 (RBP2) and 10/1/15-9/30/16 (RBP3) – for which Bonus payments are calculated.
  
  
•  Ratification Bonuses will be based on each pilot’s income from Southwest (or AirTran) for each month of the Ratification Bonus Period.
  
  
•  The following percentages will be applied to actual pilot pay for each period to calculate their Ratification Bonus:

o RBP1:3.0%
o RBP2:7.12%(3%plus4%compounded)
o RBP3: 11.41% (3% plus 4% plus 4% compounded)

•  The Ratification Bonus income is eligible for 401(k) contributions at the current rate of 9.3% and is also eligible for profit sharing payments.
  
  
•  Pay rate increases:
  o 10/1/16:15%(Snap-up)
  
  o 9/1/17: 3%
  o 9/1/18: 3%
  o 9/1/19: 3%
  o 9/1/20: 3% (This is a post amendable raise)
  
  
•  The 15% snap up raise equals annual raises of 3%, 4%, 4% and 3.2% compounded.
  
  
•  The total compounded rate for the raises is 29.4% achieved with the post amendable raise on 10/1/20.

That's more retro than anyone else period. 401K as well as profit sharing is included for Pilots. Why should we get the same? We are ALL employees of Southwest Airlines, and we should ALL share in the profits together. When Southwest starts treating the mechanics like they treat our Pilots, then they will get an actual T/A. Until then they can keep their areses at the table until they turn blue...

 

[I'll have another]

First off, we are not in section 6 negotiations any longer. That ended when mediations started. To the squirt that said,"who the fuk are you". It's because of frightened little boys like you that we get no respect at the negotiation table. Educate yourself on the RLA at nmb.org and your amfa constitution. It's big mouths like you that think they speak for the majority.

 

[B737 driver]

Really? Who the fuk are you saying we need a strike vote? You want a strike vote? Go scream your strike vote on the floor and see what happens to ya. Get a clue man. Your propaganda will not work. And no it is not called union busting moron, it's called stalling tactics as we have all said from day one. Where the hell have you been? Oh, never mind you just chimed in, I got it now... Not going to work junior--get a clue.





I understand. But, never try to rush the scope language. It's more important than the pay scale at this point. Let our NC get the job done at the table, not here in internet land.



So you are this far gone on knowing if we even have started maint. on the 800's yet? And yet you demand that we get the scope done, and also admit knowing nothing about the new Max maint. Pls dude stop with the rush to get the scope done. You are obviously clueless on what's really going on with our maint. so pls just stop with your mission...

 

[B737 driver]

Not on a mission if the 800's are in the epic program and they want to put the max in epic which are phased C checks that changes how you approach scope, based on how they want to do man power, you have to have a game plan to maintain your scope, and not trade it for money!

 

[B737 driver]

Really? Who the fuk are you saying we need a strike vote? You want a strike vote? Go scream your strike vote on the floor and see what happens to ya. Get a clue man. Your propaganda will not work. And no it is not called union busting moron, it's called stalling tactics as we have all said from day one. Where the hell have you been? Oh, never mind you just chimed in, I got it now... Not going to work junior--get a clue.





I understand. But, never try to rush the scope language. It's more important than the pay scale at this point. Let our NC get the job done at the table, not here in internet land.



So you are this far gone on knowing if we even have started maint. on the 800's yet? And yet you demand that we get the scope done, and also admit knowing nothing about the new Max maint. Pls dude stop with the rush to get the scope done. You are obviously clueless on what's really going on with our maint. so pls just stop with your mission...

So you are saying if the company said we will give you full retro and a little more pay that what they presented, in exchange for all the scope changes we want, you wouldn't be giving the negotiating committee crap for a vote! Because I hear you guys talking about retro pay more than scope !

 

[I'll have another]

So you are saying if the company said we will give you full retro and a little more pay that what they presented, in exchange for all the scope changes we want, you wouldn't be giving the negotiating committee crap for a vote! Because I hear you guys talking about retro pay more than scope !

That's exactly what's aka"the squirt" is saying

 

[B737 driver]

That's exactly what's aka"the squirt" is saying

I find it real interesting the,same people are on this board saying what AMFA says, supposedly, but when others come on here to question what threatens their position, we are all company plants. They attack you but they never have a suggestion to make things better !