WN Mechanics seek mediation

[B737 driver]

Why would I want to waste my time arguing with management on a forum?
I will let that happen at the table.

What I don't like is when someone joins this discussion with an agenda to divide our work group with specious arguments.
Someone who joins the week after a new company plan hits our email and starts out by disparaging our legal counsel and our elected union leaders under the guise of being one of us.
Someone who's posting content and number over a two week period are more in line with a disinformation campaign than actual discussion.

I would prefer to call a troll a troll and ignore.

I am a mechanic that was just tired of the b. S. ,that just sees the same crap over and over, so if it goes on forever so be it, I still have all my seniority, you guys stay in your dream world, no one is really in a hurry because you some people making over $200,000 a year on overtime, they are addicted to the money like crack, I don't work that much overtime,the company knows this, AMFA knows it, so the status quo will continue. As long as you don't criticize AMFA or Seham everything is good to go! You guys are like the Deltoids of the 1990's , we must worship the widget, we must not question our union, and boom the rug was ripped out from under the Delta guys after they bought Pan Am !

 

[Go Figure]

The SWA negotiations have progressed to the serious " Meat and Potatoes" of the CBA. I am not even present and can see this. An issue that is blocking movement are the Federal lawsuits filed from both parties. No one from the cheer leader squad has addressed this. The parties are just wasting the mediators and everyone's time and just building frustrations. The Federal lawsuits are not even going to start litigation until Spring of 2018 from my knowledge. Until this is resolved there will not be a Tentative Agreement for members. Seham and staff need to inform the membership as such and quit hiding in the New York gopher hole and blaming the company on stall tactics.From my understanding Amfa filed first and SWA responded with their suit. Tied up in Federal Courts now. Those wheels turn slow and can take years for settlement.I wish the hardworking members of SWA tech ops well but throwing a dose of reality in. No one has addressed and let the attacks begin!!! Address the issue first and then attack if you want to save what credibility the cheerleading squad has left.

 

[Go Figure]

It appears the company intentionally stalled negotiations, supposedly since May, while they prepared their med-arb proposal. As I stated before I'm not against med-arb but am dubious about their claim that they are the ones taking the risk. Many have stated that when the company wants a deal a deal will be made. I can wait till they come around.

 

[Go Figure]

Put the timeline together. When were the Federal lawsuits filed. In courts now.

 

[Hackman]

He is interesting, I just like to argue!

Arguing is fine, but since you seem to be rather uneducated about your industry, it seems rather pointless blather on your part. I would figure a management plant would know more.

Ahh Hackman the airline, labor expert, let's see Eastern gone, IAM, Northwest AMFA stike work force replaced, TWA bought by American TWU, American bankruptcy, has America West management, Hackman wants AMFA, then when they get in there if they get voted in, working with same America West/ ex Northwest management, trying to get a contract, maybe 2 to 5 years after you get them in, and Hackman still bitter still pissed off !

I am no labor airline expert, but do know of what I speak to. You on the other hand, just want a raise and that's all you know, gimme my money. Then you bash AMFA because of SWA managements stalling for 5 years.
Sometimes when you have to fight B737, it might get bloody. You wouldn't know much about that, since you'll stay safe under the bosses desk. Eastern is gone because of Frank Lorenzo, period. Northwest management retaliated for the groundbreaking AMFA contract of 2001, and it cost management 107 million to bust the union (with help from the IAm) and finally NWA failed and disappeared under Delta. "TWA was bought by American TWU, American bankruptcy, " What the hell are you talking about in your run-on paragraph of nonsensical blather? What a clueless dolt.

Maybe Hackman is on Seham payrolls, he is always sticking his nose into our boards, claims he is involved in his union, his union could always bring him up on charges, if he is found to be the card drive guy at AMFA ,industrial unions do not take kindly to be raided! But then again Hackman is the know it all labor expert !

Well maybe, why don't you call and find out moron. You on managements payroll? That's a waste money for them. Bring me up on charges for "being the card drive guy". Spoken like a true company shill, and comical the same time. You know that workers have the right to choose a representative of their choice right? Good thing SWA AMFA members were not too worried about Reamster "charges" being sought. Doesn't mean squat, especially after the Reamsters got ousted.

I stick my nose in where I feel like, thanks.

 

[Hackman]

What if (seriously) the guy is Management? Whatever arguments or debates he gives you, if you can't beat them he wins.

Forget who the "person" may or may not be and win the debate.

I find his "arguments" laughable as I do yours. Both of you are company shills. Did you thank Parker today for your hot V6 mustang?

 

[B737 driver]

Hello again Hackman, I expect no different from you, I would be disappointed, if you were! Just got the latest email, we moved the goal post in economics, so probably be about 3 years from now! At this point AMFA probably figures they need that much, because when we finally get a contract, it will be another 5 years , after the new contract ends, before we get another one. I think American will be done before we are, even if they change unions !

 

[Go Figure]

I guess hack ot can't respond to my post. I don't communicate effectively him. Ok. Sowing his attack mode with no intelligence. It works on the weak. Maybe his Amfa cheerleader camp waitin on Seham On email to see what to say.????? I I'll wait. Committee would be better to suspend negotiations til fallout from Federal lawsuits. If don't go their way the organization be broke then. Seham won't. Maybe he will donate his services. Even if it was free would be dis service to SWA membership!!!

 

[Go Figure]

Arguing is fine, but since you seem to be rather uneducated about your industry, it seems rather pointless blather on your part. I would figure a management plant would know more.

I am no labor airline expert, but do know of what I speak to. You on the other hand, just want a raise and that's all you know, gimme my money. Then you bash AMFA because of SWA managements stalling for 5 years.
Sometimes when you have to fight B737, it might get bloody. You wouldn't know much about that, since you'll stay safe under the bosses desk. Eastern is gone because of Frank Lorenzo, period. Northwest management retaliated for the groundbreaking AMFA contract of 2001, and it cost management 107 million to bust the union (with help from the IAm) and finally NWA failed and disappeared under Delta. "TWA was bought by American TWU, American bankruptcy, " What the hell are you talking about in your run-on paragraph of nonsensical blather? What a clueless dolt.

Well maybe, why don't you call and find out moron. You on managements payroll? That's a waste money for them. Bring me up on charges for "being the card drive guy". Spoken like a true company shill, and comical the same time. You know that workers have the right to choose a representative of their choice right? Good thing SWA AMFA members were not too worried about Reamster "charges" being sought. Doesn't mean squat, especially after the Reamsters got ousted.

I stick my nose in where I feel like, thanks.

 

[B737 driver]

Arguing is fine, but since you seem to be rather uneducated about your industry, it seems rather pointless blather on your part. I would figure a management plant would know more.

I am no labor airline expert, but do know of what I speak to. You on the other hand, just want a raise and that's all you know, gimme my money. Then you bash AMFA because of SWA managements stalling for 5 years.
Sometimes when you have to fight B737, it might get bloody. You wouldn't know much about that, since you'll stay safe under the bosses desk. Eastern is gone because of Frank Lorenzo, period. Northwest management retaliated for the groundbreaking AMFA contract of 2001, and it cost management 107 million to bust the union (with help from the IAm) and finally NWA failed and disappeared under Delta. "TWA was bought by American TWU, American bankruptcy, " What the hell are you talking about in your run-on paragraph of nonsensical blather? What a clueless dolt.

Well maybe, why don't you call and find out moron. You on managements payroll? That's a waste money for them. Bring me up on charges for "being the card drive guy". Spoken like a true company shill, and comical the same time. You know that workers have the right to choose a representative of their choice right? Good thing SWA AMFA members were not too worried about Reamster "charges" being sought. Doesn't mean squat, especially after the Reamsters got ousted.

I stick my nose in where I feel like, thanks.

Hey conspiracy guy, is everyone a company plant that doesn't agree with you, I hope you fight for the guys at American as hard as you claim, I personally think you are full of crap, you think AM FA will solve all of your guys problems at American, you will still be dealing the same management team, that seems to love operations, and not ramp or maintenance. Tell me if AMFA can't reach an agreement yet with SWA, but it will come in time, when we have some of our culture left, what makes you think they can make a magic bullet at American ?

 

[Go Figure]

I will reply. NEA Amfa was busted because of unenforceable scope language that had over 1/2 membership gone on renogotirion and the financial climate. Not their great breakthrough contract. A contract is only good if u are employed in it. They were busted when they signed off on agreement. History don't lie!!

 

[B737 driver]

Arguing is fine, but since you seem to be rather uneducated about your industry, it seems rather pointless blather on your part. I would figure a management plant would know more.

I am no labor airline expert, but do know of what I speak to. You on the other hand, just want a raise and that's all you know, gimme my money. Then you bash AMFA because of SWA managements stalling for 5 years.
Sometimes when you have to fight B737, it might get bloody. You wouldn't know much about that, since you'll stay safe under the bosses desk. Eastern is gone because of Frank Lorenzo, period. Northwest management retaliated for the groundbreaking AMFA contract of 2001, and it cost management 107 million to bust the union (with help from the IAm) and finally NWA failed and disappeared under Delta. "TWA was bought by American TWU, American bankruptcy, " What the hell are you talking about in your run-on paragraph of nonsensical blather? What a clueless dolt.

Well maybe, why don't you call and find out moron. You on managements payroll? That's a waste money for them. Bring me up on charges for "being the card drive guy". Spoken like a true company shill, and comical the same time. You know that workers have the right to choose a representative of their choice right? Good thing SWA AMFA members were not too worried about Reamster "charges" being sought. Doesn't mean squat, especially after the Reamsters got ousted.

I stick my nose in where I feel like, thanks.

What would it benefit the IAM, they lost the group to AMFA Richard Anderson wanted to merge with Delta, and now Northwest management runs Delta, and Delta's techs have always been non union and the IAM is not at Delta for the mechanics!

 

[Hackman]

What would it benefit the IAM, they lost the group to AMFA Richard Anderson wanted to merge with Delta, and now Northwest management runs Delta, and Delta's techs have always been non union and the IAM is not at Delta for the mechanics!

You actually ask what the benefit was to the IAm during a union strike? Holy ****, you are dense, and a company plant. Lets see. Not performing struck work, not being scabs. So now your claiming what Richard Anderson was thinking? He left NWA in 2004, before the AMFA strike, that's 4 years before the merger. Apparently you don't know who was NWA CEO during the AMFA strike. Hint: it wasn't Anderson. Here, I will help you since your too stupid to look it up before you post BS . It was Doug Steenland, CEO of NWA from 2004 up until 2008 and merger with DAL. Steenland and his NWA henchmen were the ones who did the union busting and weakened the airline where they had to merge with Delta.

See, you argue but all that comes out is hot sewer gas. Stick to worrying about you and your money, its all you have.

 

[Go Figure]

Hack boy cheer leader answer my post. Can't. Answer the "big white elephant" problem ur hero Seham put SWA membership in. Ur like swamt. Called both u Pom Pom boys out. Glad ur not leaders and just sideline boys. Attack on. Ur both officially called out!!!

 

[Hackman]

Hack boy cheer leader answer my post. Can't. Answer the "big white elephant" problem ur hero Seham put SWA membership in. Ur like swamt. Called both u Pom Pom boys out. Glad ur not leaders and just sideline boys. Attack on. Ur both officially called out!!!

Called out, uh ok. What is "NEA" and "renogotirion"? I don't know what that gibberish means.
You seem to be worried about gophers and holes. You might want to see a doctor to have it removed before your mom finds out.