WN Mechanics seek mediation

[Go Figure]

Maybe amfa needs to bring Seham to next meeting to show company they mean business. With all his legal background and great strategic advice so far should have company doin whatever amfa needs. swamt - get a bigger back hoe and yank him out of that gopher hole. Better dig him out before winter and ground freezes over!!

 

[B737 driver]

Maybe amfa needs to bring Seham to next meeting to show company they mean business. With all his legal background and great strategic advice so far should have company doin whatever amfa needs. swamt - get a bigger back hoe and yank him out of that gopher hole. Better dig him out before winter and ground freezes over!!

In reality what they need on the negotiating team, is a former airline CEO and also a labor lawyer, that can advise them on all the company cost analysis, and can tell you how to precede to get the best deal for the members that can pass, and most of the people feel like they got what they pay for representation !

 

[sendmeupacrowsfoot]

In reality what they need on the negotiating team, is a former airline CEO and also a labor lawyer, that can advise them on all the company cost analysis, and can tell you how to precede to get the best deal for the members that can pass, and most of the people feel like they got what they pay for representation !

Actually, we have a labor lawyer and an economist present in the negotiations.

Lucas Middlebrook – AMFA Counsel
Peter Manikowski – AMFA Economist

 

[WeAAsles]

Actually, we have a labor lawyer and an economist present in the negotiations.

You aren't figuring out that you have people in your group that don't trust Seeham. After 5 years in talks so far can you seriously blame them?

(I'll expect a Hack-attack around 1AM as usual)

 

[B737 driver]

You sure an impatient SOB, I have other things to do than sit on a BB and reply to your sniveling about your money, Sehams fees, and why you can't see a T/A with concessions.
Well that's an understatement of the year, "worse off than we are". Yeah, just a little. "At least you got a raise"? Again, is that all you care about? Hardly a raise compared to 14 years of record concessions, the pay raise can't come close to resolving unless its with a lump sum payment of half a million (laughing). Other than pay, we still live under the massive concessions today (concessions been listed on here for years). You on the other hand at SWA, live under a current contract with a pay rate with in a few dollars of our pay rate. One hell of a big difference money man. Other than the outsourcing, pay rate, and mechanic ratio, you don't have much to whine about. Trust me, you don't.

I do complain to be sure, but I also have been involved in trying to make a difference and also change our representation. I have been down some hard roads over the years, along with many of my coworkers. Not interested in going into it.

I would much rather have Crandall over Parker, by far. The pilots wanted this merger, others like me did not, with all the baggage US Air has. However its not just the CEO problem here, its all the incompetent bottom feeder management that have come along since this "merger". US Air/America West/Northwest/Pinnacle minions are now running the airline into the ground, just like they did at all those failed companies.

In closing, stop crying about your money and looking at a T/A. Stand behind your union, I know that's a stretch for you. A T/A will come when the company stops playing games. They could give you a raise at anytime outside of a T/A, it's a blatant lie stating they can't. AA did it for the TWu, APA, and the APFA, us before we have an agreement and absurdly after the pilots and F/As had new contracts to bring them up over Delta.

Buck up company man, don't be a stooge.

Doesn't feel good when someone craps in your backyard d

Actually, we have a labor lawyer and an economist present in the negotiations.

Lucas Middlebrook – AMFA Counsel
Peter Manikowski – AMFA Economist

Maybe we could hire Herb or Mrs Barrett, we need someone who has actually ran an Airline, or hire SWAPA talent because we are not getting our monies worth !

 

[B737 driver]

You aren't figuring out that you have people in your group that don't trust Seeham. After 5 years in talks so far can you seriously blame them?

(I'll expect a Hack-attack around 1AM as usual)

Yeah I took a dump in his backyard and he didn't like it, sorry American guys! He wants AMFA in American so bad, but guess what they won't move management anymore than what they got now, that's just business and it sucks !

 

[WeAAsles]

Actually, we have a labor lawyer and an economist present in the negotiations.

Lucas Middlebrook – AMFA Counsel
Peter Manikowski – AMFA Economist

Ok since you edited and added the name of Counsel. Who does Lucas work for? Oh that's right.

http://www.ssmplaw.com/attorneys-staff/

It's like Lee is the Pimp, the rest of his firm are the Prostitutes and SWA Mechanics are the customers.

EVERYTHING at AMFA ultimately revolves in some way around SSM&P.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok and I'm not finding anything on this Peter Manikowski either except maybe this?

Did Peter graduate from Keller in Management, Math?

http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/AddRating.jsp?tid=1126614

 

[Hackman]

You are under the concessions that you are because of what American went through and the Bankruptcy process, sounds like you are just bitter as hell, my very first airline job was Midway in Chicago, well they went Chapter 7, & guess what the employees didn't get paid, the lawyers did and we had a union! None of the employees did! I am happy I finally got on with SWA! Again poking your nose where is doesn't belong,As a union member we have aright to ask how our money is spent, do we ever get a voice and get to vote,and guess what Einstein the majority rules! You read the American threads those guys are complaining about the same thing that we are,and like I said in reality I really don't think anyone cares! The only reason we have what we have is because we didn't go bankrupt!

Well as usual, you got it wrong again B737. You don't seem to know much about the history of the airline industry and union contracts there of. The TWu has implemented concessions long before the bankruptcy, or the 9/11 terrorist attacks. You should do some research before you make such ignorant statements. As I said, SWA AMT deserve a new contract, industry leading. You can question AMFA and how they do business, but you bash the one union that has AMT concerns on the front burner, unlike the Reamsters that was formally on the property. Again, all your concerned about is you, your money, and looking at a contract no matter what is in it, as long as you get a raise.

 

[B737 driver]

Well as usual, you got it wrong again B737. You don't seem to know much about the history of the airline industry and union contracts there of. The TWu has implemented concessions long before the bankruptcy, or the 9/11 terrorist attacks. You should do some research before you make such ignorant statements. As I said, SWA AMT deserve a new contract, industry leading. You can question AMFA and how they do business, but you bash the one union that has AMT concerns on the front burner, unlike the Reamsters that was formally on the property. Again, all your concerned about is you, your money, and looking at a contract no matter what is in it, as long as you get a raise.

Ahh Hackman the airline, labor expert, let's see Eastern gone, IAM, Northwest AMFA stike work force replaced, TWA bought by American TWU, American bankruptcy, has America West management, Hackman wants AMFA, then when they get in there if they get voted in, working with same America West/ ex Northwest management, trying to get a contract, maybe 2 to 5 years after you get them in, and Hackman still bitter still pissed off !

 

[WNMECH]

Its been discussed many times before that if American AMTs join AMFA, they would outnumber SWA and Alk AMTs and vote in all their members to the top positions in AMFA.
At that point AMFA national would be controlled and steered by American AMTs and they would control their own destinies.
No longer would they be dominated by fleet or any other groups.
AMFAs priorities would be their priorities.

SWA contract negotiation teams would still be controlled by a majority of SWA AMFA members, but some American AMTs would still hold positions on that team from national and regional leadership.

 

[B737 driver]

Its been discussed many times before that if American AMTs join AMFA, they would outnumber SWA and Alk AMTs and vote in all their members to the top positions in AMFA.
At that point AMFA national would be controlled and steered by American AMTs and they would control their own destinies.
No longer would they be dominated by fleet or any other groups.
AMFAs priorities would be their priorities.

SWA contract negotiation teams would still be controlled by a majority of SWA AMFA members, but some American AMTs would still hold positions on that team from national and regional leadership.

Maybe Hackman is on Seham payrolls, he is always sticking his nose into our boards, claims he is involved in his union, his union could always bring him up on charges, if he is found to be the card drive guy at AMFA ,industrial unions do not take kindly to be raided! But then again Hackman is the know it all labor expert !

 

[sendmeupacrowsfoot]

Maybe Hackman is on Seham payrolls, he is always sticking his nose into our boards, claims he is involved in his union, his union could always bring him up on charges, if he is found to be the card drive guy at AMFA ,industrial unions do not take kindly to be raided! But then again Hackman is the know it all labor expert !

I find his comments rather refreshing.

 

[B737 driver]

I find his comments rather refreshing.

He is interesting, I just like to argue!

 

[B737 driver]

I find his comments rather refreshing.

But on a serious note our shop rep said they actually did make some progress on scope this time, so we will see what happens the next few months !