WN Mechanics seek mediation

[Hackman]

Oh look it's know it all American looser Hackman, what a shock said there would be no T/ A yeah I am secret company plant, and Aliens are coming to earth, when you put as much time as I have and listen to the guys concern on the floor what's going on, want to replace the committee again, that is not the answer! I feel sorry for these guys! Tell you what why don't you worry about what American is doing and not SWA you don't work, why don't you get involved in the union in American to make a difference, instead of sticking your nose in our business !

Seems like I've hit close to home with my B737 company plant assessment. I don't know about a "secret" plant, that would imply your stealthy or sly. Of course your easy to spot, so no. With your disparaging of the union for fighting management and taking the time to get a non concessionary contract AMFA members deserve. A company plant or at least a company sympathizer who is willing to swallow concessions (good boy) for a raise, just what management wants.

Your so uninformed and greedy you thought AA had a new contract because DUI Doug gave us a little raise. Jeez, that's sadly pathetic...and telling. Also I am involved, in many things at many levels at AA.

BTW if your going to call me a "looser", at least spell it correctly.///loser///

 

[B737 driver]

Seems like I've hit close to home with my B737 company plant assessment. I don't know about a "secret" plant, that would imply your stealthy or sly. Of course your easy to spot, so no. With your disparaging of the union for fighting management and taking the time to get a non concessionary contract AMFA members deserve. A company plant or at least a company sympathizer who is willing to swallow concessions (good boy) for a raise, just what management wants.

Your so uninformed and greedy you thought AA had a new contract because DUI Doug gave us a little raise. Jeez, that's sadly pathetic...and telling. Also I am involved, in many things at many levels at AA.

BTW if your going to call me a "looser", at least spell it correctly.///loser///

Glad you are involved it appears you guys are in worse shape than we are, at least you got a raise, SWA says we can't give you a raise, because we would have to give you a new contract!-So tell me how involved are you are you a business agent, or do you just whine and complain, and wish things were better, I know your kind too, have conspiracy theories, but never think anyone could have a difference of opinion! So tell me Mr expert which management team is easier to deal with when Crandall was there ir Parker ?

 

[B737 driver]

No reply was a shock!

 

[sendmeupacrowsfoot]

Latest negotiations update from AMFA National website.

http://www.amfanational.org/?zone=/...le.cfm&HomeID=669473&page=Southwest20Airlines

 

[swamt]

Agreed.

The company's numbers are laughable due to their very light proposed signing bonus. I am out way more than that.

But the numbers still don't even come close to the amount of money the company will save for the zero time language change and they want us to throw that in for free with the rest of their must have language concessions which all save the company money at our expense.

Only a short sighted fool would vote for this lopsided deal.

Are you in that camp 737 driver?

I call BS!!!!
If you were who you say you are, and not a company plant, you know very well what the company offer is.
We have been given this info over and over in detail!
They haven't moved.

 

[B737 driver]

Who are you replying too ?

 

[swamt]

Company still not moving. Time to test the waters folks. IF we still get a vote after this "Med-Arb" option being suggested by the company then maybe we should entertain it. What do you all think? What does the NC think? C'mon people give some input. With the company not moving for the last several meetings, will the arbitrator make them move since AMFA was the only one willing to move? And we still have the chance to vote it down.

 

[Birdman]

Perhaps the membership should at least get to vote on entering the med-arb process. Quickie vote would not be an unreasonable expense. Discussions yesterday with coworkers involved concerns that a vote brought about by med-arb would result in a passed t/a simply to get it behind us. First, I would hope the process would result in a t/a worth passing and second, voting is a democratic process and I will accept the results. Personally I would be very objective before casting my ballot.

 

[WNMECH]

The guys I work with feel a little differently about the offer on the table from the other side.
Most are pretty sure and arbitrator wont close that gap.
Who knows.
I will wait for our negotiators to weigh in on the Med-Arb process idea.

 

[B737 driver]

We need to persue it, where I am at, the guy that used to be our area rep wants to replace the committee, even it didn't pass, we could see where we are at membership wise I am kind of tired of the same crap, without any results !

 

[WNMECH]

We need to persue it, where I am at, the guy that used to be our area rep wants to replace the committee, even it didn't pass, we could see where we are at membership wise I am kind of tired of the same crap, without any results !

Its a good thing that we are in AMFA then where that is even possible.
Don't you agree?
All positions are voted on and anyone can be recalled.

You cant do that in the other unions representing mechanics.
You know that right?

In AMFA, our leaders are truly held accountable to the membership.

 

[sendmeupacrowsfoot]

I say follow through with the scheduled August negotiations and see if any progress is made. If not, try this med/arb. Or explore the option further.

 

[Hackman]

No reply was a shock!

You sure an impatient SOB, I have other things to do than sit on a BB and reply to your sniveling about your money, Sehams fees, and why you can't see a T/A with concessions.

Glad you are involved it appears you guys are in worse shape than we are, at least you got a raise, SWA says we can't give you a raise, because we would have to give you a new contract!-So tell me how involved are you are you a business agent, or do you just whine and complain, and wish things were better, I know your kind too, have conspiracy theories, but never think anyone could have a difference of opinion! So tell me Mr expert which management team is easier to deal with when Crandall was there ir Parker ?

Well that's an understatement of the year, "worse off than we are". Yeah, just a little. "At least you got a raise"? Again, is that all you care about? Hardly a raise compared to 14 years of record concessions, the pay raise can't come close to resolving unless its with a lump sum payment of half a million (laughing). Other than pay, we still live under the massive concessions today (concessions been listed on here for years). You on the other hand at SWA, live under a current contract with a pay rate with in a few dollars of our pay rate. One hell of a big difference money man. Other than the outsourcing, pay rate, and mechanic ratio, you don't have much to whine about. Trust me, you don't.

I do complain to be sure, but I also have been involved in trying to make a difference and also change our representation. I have been down some hard roads over the years, along with many of my coworkers. Not interested in going into it.

I would much rather have Crandall over Parker, by far. The pilots wanted this merger, others like me did not, with all the baggage US Air has. However its not just the CEO problem here, its all the incompetent bottom feeder management that have come along since this "merger". US Air/America West/Northwest/Pinnacle minions are now running the airline into the ground, just like they did at all those failed companies.

In closing, stop crying about your money and looking at a T/A. Stand behind your union, I know that's a stretch for you. A T/A will come when the company stops playing games. They could give you a raise at anytime outside of a T/A, it's a blatant lie stating they can't. AA did it for the TWu, APA, and the APFA, us before we have an agreement and absurdly after the pilots and F/As had new contracts to bring them up over Delta.

Buck up company man, don't be a stooge.

 

[B737 driver]

You sure an impatient SOB, I have other things to do than sit on a BB and reply to your sniveling about your money, Sehams fees, and why you can't see a T/A with concessions.
Well that's an understatement of the year, "worse off than we are". Yeah, just a little. "At least you got a raise"? Again, is that all you care about? Hardly a raise compared to 14 years of record concessions, the pay raise can't come close to resolving unless its with a lump sum payment of half a million (laughing). Other than pay, we still live under the massive concessions today (concessions been listed on here for years). You on the other hand at SWA, live under a current contract with a pay rate with in a few dollars of our pay rate. One hell of a big difference money man. Other than the outsourcing, pay rate, and mechanic ratio, you don't have much to whine about. Trust me, you don't.

I do complain to be sure, but I also have been involved in trying to make a difference and also change our representation. I have been down some hard roads over the years, along with many of my coworkers. Not interested in going into it.

I would much rather have Crandall over Parker, by far. The pilots wanted this merger, others like me did not, with all the baggage US Air has. However its not just the CEO problem here, its all the incompetent bottom feeder management that have come along since this "merger". US Air/America West/Northwest/Pinnacle minions are now running the airline into the ground, just like they did at all those failed companies.

In closing, stop crying about your money and looking at a T/A. Stand behind your union, I know that's a stretch for you. A T/A will come when the company stops playing games. They could give you a raise at anytime outside of a T/A, it's a blatant lie stating they can't. AA did it for the TWu, APA, and the APFA, us before we have an agreement and absurdly after the pilots and F/As had new contracts to bring them up over Delta.

Buck up company man, don't be a stooge.

You are under the concessions that you are because of what American went through and the Bankruptcy process, sounds like you are just bitter as hell, my very first airline job was Midway in Chicago, well they went Chapter 7, & guess what the employees didn't get paid, the lawyers did and we had a union! None of the employees did! I am happy I finally got on with SWA! Again poking your nose where is doesn't belong,As a union member we have aright to ask how our money is spent, do we ever get a voice and get to vote,and guess what Einstein the majority rules! You read the American threads those guys are complaining about the same thing that we are,and like I said in reality I really don't think anyone cares! The only reason we have what we have is because we didn't go bankrupt!

 

[B737 driver]

Its a good thing that we are in AMFA then where that is even possible.
Don't you agree?
All positions are voted on and anyone can be recalled.

You cant do that in the other unions representing mechanics.
You know that right?

In AMFA, our leaders are truly held accountable to the membership.

Yes I know that, seems like much hasn't changed since 2011,-when we first started section 6, in reality I will honestly be surprised if we get a T/ A this year or next. I think the majority of the people are happy right where things are, from the union side and the company side. AMFA retains all the work rules, people work overtime alot of overtime, SWA saves money, the ship keeps sailing right along! Oh sure we have people on the forums , but not that many, people like me that would like to have a raise without giving away everything, others that think we should get a raise and we keep all the same language, you could probably get that, but the raise would be below the industry, and that would never come to a vote! People talk about if we had the Teamsters back or if we had some other union we would be done already, maybe we would, but I highly doubt it! The deal will happen when the company really needs it, and I don't see any Trump cards that we have!