WN Mechanics seek mediation

[Birdman]

I’m not really seeing a formula that one could use to plug in numbers. Sure, I know what my P1-6 values are but I fail to see the “formula” in the “methodology”. The TA text contains no real surprises but I’ll study further.

 

[B737 driver]

Swamt says his numbers are close and driver says his are damn close.
Niether one of them have the bonus number in the mail yet so I call BS.
We need to wait till the bonus number comes in the mail but I will bet its not as close to full retro as you think.
Not to mention that our snap-up is too low and we are losing about 5% due to that and with them moving our raise date to april 2019 instead or aug 2018.
I too have done the math and know how much bonus will make me whole.
I will be stunned if the mailer is even close, but will post here one way or the other when i get it in the mailbox.

When I said that it's the persentage they talked about. Full back pay is great, but if I didn't get it, as long as a didn't lose scope. That's not a deal breaker to me, lose of scope is. We really do not have solidarity to begin with. As far as I was concerned we gave away two trump cards, not getting a contract before the Airtran integration, and too not getting, all the pay some people claim they need, before agreeing to do the ETOPS proving runs. If it fails they will still do the ETOPS, and we will sue to block claiming it is our work.

 

[B737 driver]

I’m not really seeing a formula that one could use to plug in numbers. Sure, I know what my P1-6 values are but I fail to see the “formula” in the “methodology”. The TA text contains no real surprises but I’ll study further.

Birdman, all I can say they might not be to confident in the vote if AMFA has to pass out vote no bracelets at work. This is before the road shows even start SMH.

 

[WeAAsles]

Birdman, all I can say they might not be to confident in the vote if AMFA has to pass out vote no bracelets at work. This is before the road shows even start SMH.

I have to give your AMFA Leaders credit for showing a set of balls driver. They’re letting the Membership decide the next move and they’re publicly stating their position that they don’t find the deal good enough.

They’re not exactly making the “Politically” safe move here.

 

[B737 driver]

I have to give your AMFA Leaders credit for showing a set of balls driver. They’re letting the Membership decide the next move and they’re publicly stating their position that they don’t find the deal good enough.

They’re not exactly making the “Politically” safe move here.

I must disagree with you here, the move should have been 2 years ago, had a big no vote. You won't get a big no vote, not voting till August, starting year 7. Plus there is not a quick solution. You might get a yes vote. Like Swamt the vote will be close. I personally think it is for them to try to safe face, when they recommend a no vote in 2008, and it passed. We haven't had a ratification vote in ten years. I really think if we have Louie Keys, it wouldn't gone this long. However they voted him out, and Brett in.

 

[WeAAsles]

I must disagree with you here, the move should have been 2 years ago, had a big no vote. You won't get a big no vote, not voting till August, starting year 7. Plus there is not a quick solution. You might get a yes vote. Like Swamt the vote will be close. I personally think it is for them to try to safe face, when they recommend a no vote in 2008, and it passed. We haven't had a ratification vote in ten years. I really think if we have Louie Keys, it wouldn't gone this long. However they voted him out, and Brett in.

Timing is something that can always be debated. You recall I was saying awhile back that they need to let you vote to decide the next move and now they’ve done that. Was the length of time ridiculous to get there is up to you and your members to decide now with your vote?

If this guy Brett and the other Officers are publicly recommending a no vote then yea even after all this time they’re showing balls. If the Membership overwhelmingly rejects their recommendation their time in office is over. It would be inappropriate not to resign.

But if they get the overwhelming no vote that they want then all bets are off.

 

[swamt]

I’m not really seeing a formula that one could use to plug in numbers. Sure, I know what my P1-6 values are but I fail to see the “formula” in the “methodology”. The TA text contains no real surprises but I’ll study further.

I'm not either Bird. And that is what bothers me, no real formula.
I haven't seen any real big surprises so far either. But still thumbing thru the 130 plus pages.
Even if the numbers are there I still need to see the big reason why the union is recommending the no vote. And, the next big question is would the mediator actually call for us to be put on ice? (I think co. is using that to scare the members into a yes vote) It's the first vote, just like our Pilots and F/A's had. We all know it will more than likely go into next year, but what does that hurt as long as we get made whole??
I still do not like the movement of contract date and the fact that the co. is trying to sell the snap up as a 2018 raise as it is NOT.
Monthly meeting is set for July 12th, pretty sure it will be packed full if not overflowing since it will be 3 days after we get the numbers from the company.
BTW; where's the T/A posted by the union? Or at least just a summery of all the changes? We patiently wait for our personal numbers for our 3 retro payments...

 

[B737 driver]

I'm not either Bird. And that is what bothers me, no real formula.
I haven't seen any real big surprises so far either. But still thumbing thru the 130 plus pages.
Even if the numbers are there I still need to see the big reason why the union is recommending the no vote. And, the next big question is would the mediator actually call for us to be put on ice? (I think co. is using that to scare the members into a yes vote) It's the first vote, just like our Pilots and F/A's had. We all know it will more than likely go into next year, but what does that hurt as long as we get made whole??
I still do not like the movement of contract date and the fact that the co. is trying to sell the snap up as a 2018 raise as it is NOT.
Monthly meeting is set for July 12th, pretty sure it will be packed full if not overflowing since it will be 3 days after we get the numbers from the company.
BTW; where's the T/A posted by the union? Or at least just a summery of all the changes? We patiently wait for our personal numbers for our 3 retro payments...

Swampy IMO only, I do not understand the drag out factor from AMFA, I understand getting to get stuff right, plus we have not had a ratification vote in 10 years. If this passes , your ratification bonus would be around Christmas or Thanksgiving. Our local 4 meeting is July 27 th. Do you know when they intend to do these road shows? I am sure the company will start theirs when the union does. Happy 4th to you!

 

[Birdman]

I don't believe it's the elected union representatives job, or self appointed spokesmen, to recommend a yes or no vote. Most of the ALR's were elected, more
than once, to negotiate a contract and that was finally accomplished. It's our job now to consider the pro's and con's of the agreement and vote. I won't passionately plead for others to vote my conscience, will be 100% satisfied with the membership voting this agreement up or down, and will suffer the consequences or reap the benefits like every other member. HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMERICA!

 

[swamt]

Ran across a second article talking about our T/A. Although it is kind of hidden in the heading. This tells me, neither side is proud of this T/A. If this were the Pilots T/A both union and company would be all over the media about a new contract. Not so much with the mechanics which makes me wonder why that is???

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[B737 driver]

Ran across a second article talking about our T/A. Although it is kind of hidden in the heading. This tells me, neither side is proud of this T/A. If this were the Pilots T/A both union and company would be all over the media about a new contract. Not so much with the mechanics which makes me wonder why that is???

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I think the only reason this is, it has been so long without a contract, and with flight 1380, they don't want people thinking they have unhappy mechanics, plus it's not like we have been out there protesting .

 

[WeAAsles]

Ran across a second article talking about our T/A. Although it is kind of hidden in the heading. This tells me, neither side is proud of this T/A. If this were the Pilots T/A both union and company would be all over the media about a new contract. Not so much with the mechanics which makes me wonder why that is???

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I find myself and my trusty Bloodhound praying nightly that you one day can find the strength and resolve to rid yourselves of that awful AMFA. You deserve so much more than to be in a Union that no one pays any attention to. I have faith and think very much that you will be successful in their removal soon.

Good Luck.

 

[737MAX7]

So where is the 2.75 mechs per acft in the new ta? Straight time on a downline when in a hotel? Read the fine print boys.

 

[B737 driver]

So where is the 2.75 mechs per acft in the new ta? Straight time on a downline when in a hotel? Read the fine print boys.

The field service language is the same it was up to the supervisor to pay you or not. As far as the 2.75 I think it was put into scope, I know the 4 th line of maintenance was. Well Birdman, am I correct, just asking.

 

[Birdman]

The 2.75 minimum in LOA 1 is no more and I haven’t seen it reprinted anywhere else. The only job security I’ve found so far is the old language in Scope Article 2(3). “The company will not contract out work when such contracting out results, or will result, in a reduction in force for any employee covered by this agreement.”
Granted we are well above 2.75 now but through attrition could go well below.