WN Mechanics seek mediation

[B737 driver]

If we want to talk about history then it needs to be pointed out that both those groups voted down the first TAs they got, and both groups received better terms on the second.

I look at it this way, as far as the F/A and pilots they held a lot of power as far as affecting the operation. Someone tried just not to work overtime the guy came back to Dallas, but he was still out of work, for all that time. With this time frame 160 days to ratification it is obvious there is no quick solution. At the minimum we need to get all new ALRs. I could say in their defense, we have not had a ratification vote in 10 years. I just don't think people want to go 7 years, or more to get a contract. Everyone has to decide for themselves.

 

[swamt]

I agree wn.

 

[WNMECH]

I look at it this way, as far as the F/A and pilots they held a lot of power as far as affecting the operation. Someone tried just not to work overtime the guy came back to Dallas, but he was still out of work, for all that time. With this time frame 160 days to ratification it is obvious there is no quick solution. At the minimum we need to get all new ALRs. I could say in their defense, we have not had a ratification vote in 10 years. I just don't think people want to go 7 years, or more to get a contract. Everyone has to decide for themselves.

If we are going to talk about history again I would like to point out a couple of things.
The FAs voted no in July 2015 and voted yes in Oct 2016.
The Pilots voted no in Nov 2015 and yes in Nov 2016.

Also, the mechanic you referred to came back to work with full backpay.

 

[Birdman]

If we are going to talk about history again I would like to point out a couple of things.
The FAs voted no in July 2015 and voted yes in Oct 2016.
The Pilots voted no in Nov 2015 and yes in Nov 2016.

Exactly, and I will again point out my strong argument at the end of 2016 that we do the same. Had we voted then it would have been 4+ years past amendable and a possible 5th for a second try. In contrast the F/A’s were a little over 2 years past amendable on their first rejection and a few months over 3 for ratification. Pilots were not far behind the F/A timetable. While I’m not advocating a yes or no vote after 7+ years before our 1st vote my ship has sailed on making the same argument I made in 2016.

 

[B737 driver]

Exactly, and I will again point out my strong argument at the end of 2016 that we do the same. Had we voted then it would have been 4+ years past amendable and a possible 5th for a second try. In contrast the F/A’s were a little over 2 years past amendable on their first rejection and a few months over 3 for ratification. Pilots were not far behind the F/A timetable. While I’m not advocating a yes or no vote after 7+ years before our 1st vote my ship has sailed on making the same argument I made in 2016.

That's what I said , if AMFA wanted a no vote , they should have signed off in 2016. It is obvious they did not trust the membership to bring a no vote, with the risk to scope loss. Now we are into 2018, with no scope loss now. However they still will not endorse it, because of a 3% difference in base pay. So let's get serious here for a minute. If we do not vote till Sept, we have just started year 7. So just taking base pay to gain say $2000 straight time, you would lose $15,000. So we get to September of 2019, we gain say the 3% on base, that some people feel strongly about. And say the company gives you 3% more the signing bonus, no guarantee that they would. I still think it will pass. You get another bad hurricane that hits Houston, those guys are already hurting from the last storm. The problem is our own negotiating committee cannot tell you how long it will be, because they do not know.

 

[B737 driver]

If we are going to talk about history again I would like to point out a couple of things.
The FAs voted no in July 2015 and voted yes in Oct 2016.
The Pilots voted no in Nov 2015 and yes in Nov 2016.

Also, the mechanic you referred to came back to work with full backpay.

Yes he did, but it was still out of work for 8 months. Then the company tried to not pay him because of the go fund me account people contributed for Ken. I doubt they would ever do that to a pilot.

 

[swamt]

I was told to start looking for the emailed info from the company this coming week, anyone else hearing the same? Not sure if it will be the T/A or the retro numbers or both. Not sure when the union is going to put out their update.

 

[B737 driver]

I was told to start looking for the emailed info from the company this coming week, anyone else hearing the same? Not sure if it will be the T/A or the retro numbers or both. Not sure when the union is going to put out their update.

The email Will be the T/A, they SWA will send to your house what your exact bonus pay out will be.

 

[Birdman]

Is it everyones understanding that the EXHIBIT A Ratification Bonus Methodology has already be calculated? While not an accountant but savvy with a calculator, I'm baffled at their methodology. Six weeks of RS should clear things up.

 

[B737 driver]

Is it everyones understanding that the EXHIBIT A Ratification Bonus Methodology has already be calculated? While not an accountant but savvy with a calculator, I'm baffled at their methodology. Six weeks of RS should clear things up.

From what I understand , Birdman it is like shares based on the time, you where without a raise under the contract. So the people who retired or are not alive get so many shares. That's what was explained to me, what have you been told? You would think you wouldn't need six weeks of road shows, when you have no scope changes, and a few me too clauses. I guess they think people can't read. Or trying not to sale it, who knows.

 

[Birdman]

Haven’t talked to anyone that even had a clue about the methodology. Reading the TA is the only intel I’ve gathered. Maybe by Thursday when I return to work the whizbangs will have their decoder rings calibrated.

 

[B737 driver]

Haven’t talked to anyone that even had a clue about the methodology. Reading the TA is the only intel I’ve gathered. Maybe by Thursday when I return to work the whizbangs will have their decoder rings calibrated.

I have just decided to quit bitching about it, not productive, just want to move on, have a good 4 th, sorry for all the drama.

 

[swamt]

Haven’t talked to anyone that even had a clue about the methodology. Reading the TA is the only intel I’ve gathered. Maybe by Thursday when I return to work the whizbangs will have their decoder rings calibrated.

Anything shocking or not as originally told by anyone?
Although you are baffled by the methodology used by the union, did it come to what you thought it would be? Or do you not know as of yet the exact numbers? When I did my numbers, like you said, by calculator, it seems to get close, but as you have stated I will wait for the numbers from both sides to see how they got there.
When I pulled it up it said 132 pages, so will take a little while to fine tooth comb it thru to the end.

 

[B737 driver]

Anything shocking or not as originally told by anyone?
Although you are baffled by the methodology used by the union, did it come to what you thought it would be? Or do you not know as of yet the exact numbers? When I did my numbers, like you said, by calculator, it seems to get close, but as you have stated I will wait for the numbers from both sides to see how they got there.
When I pulled it up it said 132 pages, so will take a little while to fine tooth comb it thru to the end.

True, I will have to wait till I see my numbers, but it's damn close. Sorry we fought swampy, I understand your position. Again I apologize . Just see how it turns out. Tired of arguing about it.

 

[WNMECH]

Swamt says his numbers are close and driver says his are damn close.
Niether one of them have the bonus number in the mail yet so I call BS.
We need to wait till the bonus number comes in the mail but I will bet its not as close to full retro as you think.
Not to mention that our snap-up is too low and we are losing about 5% due to that and with them moving our raise date to april 2019 instead or aug 2018.
I too have done the math and know how much bonus will make me whole.
I will be stunned if the mailer is even close, but will post here one way or the other when i get it in the mailbox.