WN Mechanics seek mediation

[B737 driver]

"Is wasn't binding Arbitration"? I think you left a few words out there dippy, you are starting to sound like the blithering idiot No Figures. You stated AMFA "we were offered a way out to a T/A and AMFA said no". So you are stating to just accept a concessionary T/A or contract extension so you can get your raise? Is that what you want, just gimme my money? What a greedy coward. As I have stated, the problem with our Association is the way it done, no promised vote when the AFl-CIo stuck their nose in our business to save the IAm. Two crappy unions now in one large stinking dung pile, and they still haven't produced a T/A with all that AFl-Cio power. How's that go Nut Driver? Can't produce a T/A then replace the union? Or is that just for AMFA? Your Double Standard is showing again Nut Driver!!!



What is that? Because you can't get a AMFA sell out for your pay raise? You want those concessions for your money so bad your willing to "eat the sand" as you said. Good thing AMFA isn't bending over like you are calling for Nut Driver, simply cowardice.

So what

"Is wasn't binding Arbitration"? I think you left a few words out there dippy, you are starting to sound like the blithering idiot No Figures. You stated AMFA "we were offered a way out to a T/A and AMFA said no". So you are stating to just accept a concessionary T/A or contract extension so you can get your raise? Is that what you want, just gimme my money? What a greedy coward. As I have stated, the problem with our Association is the way it done, no promised vote when the AFl-CIo stuck their nose in our business to save the IAm. Two crappy unions now in one large stinking dung pile, and they still haven't produced a T/A with all that AFl-Cio power. How's that go Nut Driver? Can't produce a T/A then replace the union? Or is that just for AMFA? Your Double Standard is showing again Nut Driver!!!



What is that? Because you can't get a AMFA sell out for your pay raise? You want those concessions for your money so bad your willing to "eat the sand" as you said. Good thing AMFA isn't bending over like you are calling for Nut Driver, simply cowardice.

What have you done at American besides complain about your Association, your no different than what Swamt complains about me. Yes I want a chance to vote someday on my future, and not have a dictatorship tell when I can vote, and when I can't. Plus make excuses when they basically got their ass kicked by the company trying to sell scope for impossible wages, that they know they can never achieve. So spare me your complaining whiny self about how you hate your union!

 

[WeAAsles]

Hey Dippy Dave, I would clean up your own TWu cess pool before you run your bag smasher mouth out here to AMTs, which you are not. We at AA have lived under almost 15 years of record TWu concessions never seen before by any airline in history!!! We should have something at AA to vote on by now right? How much money did we lose before your buddy Parker gave out a raise? I have seen $500,000 or better in 13 years before our raise. How about that?
In addition, you ramp rats have enough problems in MIA with your suck boy TWu President . Care to post that love letter he wrote to management for all to read? You love posting memes and the like. Care to post his letter for all to read?

You need to stay in your lane, rampers don't tell AMT's what to do or what union to back. So shut your hole.

You mean this thing? Oh and let me add he was also the “ONLY” TWU President who “avoided” the TWU Convention and all except one of Local 568’s delegates abstained (chickened out) from voting for either John Samuelsen or Joe Campbell for TWU President.

Now Hackcough what does this have anything to do with you being a very bad internet bully anyway?

 

[WeAAsles]

What real card drive? The TWu? You need a drug test Dave. When will the TWu/IAm bring the promised ILC to AA. Waiting for 15 years now living under this bankruptcy contract hatched by your buddy Jim Little in 2003.

Smash your bags, and don't worry about AMT issues. Your MIA base has enough problems to worry about.

Not a massive fan of Jim Little actually but “hatched”? He “hatched” the AA BK and the BK Laws that go with it?

Wow and I thought you were at least mildly bright. Guess not.

 

[WeAAsles]

So what

What have you done at American besides complain about your Association, your no different than what Swamt complains about me. Yes I want a chance to vote someday on my future, and not have a dictatorship tell when I can vote, and when I can't. Plus make excuses when they basically got their ass kicked by the company trying to sell scope for impossible wages, that they know they can never achieve. So spare me your complaining whiny self about how you hate your union!

Hackcough and swamps don’t care if you don’t ever vote for anything at all as long as you tow the Militant line and never relent to anything for the sake of the ideology (The Dream) that is the Power of the Class and Craft separate and fist clenched.

They will belittle and bully you and attempt to beat you into submission if you dare to think for yourself.

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW Hackcough show your guts buddy. Stop hiding behind your Gene avatar you chickenchit puke punk.

 

[Hackman]

You mean this thing? Oh and let me add he was also the “ONLY” TWU President who “avoided” the TWU Convention and all except one of Local 568’s delegates abstained (chickened out) from voting for either John Samuelsen or Joe Campbell for TWU President.

Now Hackcough what does this have anything to do with you being a very bad internet bully anyway?

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There ya go Dippy Dave, he should be in management any day now like so many TWu officers before him. At least he didn't thank Parker for his V6 Mustang like you did. Maybe he got a Caddy instead?

I'm an "internet bully" am I? Well I don't normally run my mouth about other groups affairs or what union they choose to support do I? Especially after you have been told to stay out of AMT business by many others besides me and you refuse to listen. So who is really the bully here.

 

[WeAAsles]

What real card drive? The TWu? You need a drug test Dave. When will the TWu/IAm bring the promised ILC to AA. Waiting for 15 years now living under this bankruptcy contract hatched by your buddy Jim Little in 2003.

Smash your bags, and don't worry about AMT issues. Your MIA base has enough problems to worry about.

Hey Hacks I needed to come back to this LMFAO. You said 2003 and I missed it. So Jimmy Little was TWU President in 2003?

Boy you think someone F’d you and you’re not even sure who it was. Jim Little huh? Did Jim Little also shoot JFK from the grassy knoll? LMFAO.

 

[WeAAsles]

There ya go Dippy Dave, he should be in management any day now like so many TWu officers before him. At least he didn't thank Parker for his V6 Mustang like you did. Maybe he got a Caddy instead?

I'm an "internet bully" am I? Well I don't normally run my mouth about other groups affairs or what union they choose to support do I? Especially after you have been told to stay out of AMT business by many others besides me and you refuse to listen. So who is really the bully here.

Sorry. When any of you start to pay my bills maybe I’ll begin to comply with your orders.

In the meantime though, F off. None of you will ever be my boss.

 

[Hackman]

Hackcough and swamps don’t care if you don’t ever vote for anything at all as long as you tow the Militant line and never relent to anything for the sake of the ideology (The Dream) that is the Power of the Class and Craft separate and fist clenched.

They will belittle and bully you and attempt to beat you into submission if you dare to think for yourself.

Like I said, clean up your own TWu cess pool before your run your mouth about others lack of representation there of. Got it?

As has been told to you ad nauseam, you have NO STAKE and NO SAY in what the AMT craft and class does, who we back, who we don't back. The "militant line" is far better than to be a belly crawling management suck up like you appear to be. Speaking of the "militant line", what would you call the TWu and all the protests they are having? Militancy is it not? Your a tool.

 

[Hackman]

BTW Hackcough show your guts buddy. Stop hiding behind your Gene avatar you chickenchit puke punk.

You talk big behind a key board tough guy. You trying to get another thread shut down? Get on those bags, they need some smashing on your next flight out. Don't have another heart attack Dippy Dave, the man still needs his boots polished.

 

[WeAAsles]

You talk big behind a key board tough guy. You trying to get another thread shut down? Get on those bags, they need some smashing on your next flight out. Don't have another heart attack Dippy Dave, the man still needs his boots polished.

You talk big behind a key board yourself wuss guy. You ARE a wuss man. All you got is calling people names over the net in hiding.

Anyway back on topic.

If AMFA Leaders (SSM&P) don’t let SWA Mechanics vote on something soon they should start a card drive and chuck (SSM$P) out on their asses as fast as they can.

 

[B737 driver]

Hackcough and swamps don’t care if you don’t ever vote for anything at all as long as you tow the Militant line and never relent to anything for the sake of the ideology (The Dream) that is the Power of the Class and Craft separate and fist clenched.

They will belittle and bully you and attempt to beat you into submission if you dare to think for yourself.

Not too worried about it. This thread was started because we finally asked for mediation late in the game. We are basically on ice, and we want to sit here and argue about having a t/A to vote on, or continue at little progress. So now we have the road shows to explain why we didn't pursue the med arb, and where we are in 2017, we could've had in 2016. The company's position is going to be if you guys take another 2 years, it's not our fault your union did not accept our offer so don't expect extra retro pay. So basically AMFA will have us on another maybe up to a 2 year pay freeze, a total of maybe 7 years, that you will never get back totally economically, or contract wize. However according to Hackboy and Swamt I am in the wrong for being mad.

 

[swamt]

IMO if the AA Mechanics get an agreement and pass it well, if within a year AMFA (SSM&P) doesn’t let you vote on something or you don’t actually gain an acceptable deal a REAL card drive will begin.

Now that's funny. Wanna bet???

Anyway it’s been too long now and you should vote on something by now for Gods sake.

Not saying how you should vote just that you the Members should be steering the ship.

weez, this is exactly what you do NOT understand. With the help of our NC we (the membership) are steering the ship. The NC is taking the memberships wishes and applying them at the table. It's NOT the NC going on their own (like the teamsters would) and do something behind closed door deals. It's really simple, the company moves or we sit, that's right we sit. We've been at this for over 5 years why throw in the towel now all on scope and other very, very hard fought after protections. Now let me ask you and all AA employees waiting on a new JCBA, is the membership steering your ship? Don't worry I already know they are not and that is one of the biggest reasons not to have one of the industrial unions---period.

That's exactly what I am saying, you guys get frustrated at your Association, and some of us are frustrated with our situation.

Reread what you just wrote. You hit the nail on the head and didn't even realize it. We are frustrated with our situation, but NOT our association.

What planet did you come from is wasn't binding Arbitration, it never was, oh I am sorry you Hackboy and Swamt cheerleaders will sing the praises of AMFA, until the cows come home. You dream of AMFA at American, I don't see you doing anything to replace your Association, but ***** and moan, cry me some more tears. And You Swamt you have absolutely no answers to get to a T/ A but say wait them out. Both of you will never get what you want.

Now you see how YOU are acting. YOU claim he is crying and moaning and won't try to get the asso out. He has and they have. YOU have not done anything to remove a person OR the union

 

[swamt]

So what

What have you done at American besides complain about your Association, your no different than what Swamt complains about me. Yes I want a chance to vote someday on my future, and not have a dictatorship tell when I can vote, and when I can't. Plus make excuses when they basically got their ass kicked by the company trying to sell scope for impossible wages, that they know they can never achieve. So spare me your complaining whiny self about how you hate your union!

At least AMFA is standing up to the company and not just agreeing to what they want and folding like the teamsters did when they were hear, AND YOU KNOW IT...

 

[B737 driver]

At least AMFA is standing up to the company and not just agreeing to what they want and folding like the teamsters did when they were hear, AND YOU KNOW IT...

Is that the best you got, company is laughing all the way to the bank! You better get a clue, or we will sit forever.!