WN drops three stations

[robbedagain]

Dramatically?
How many people do you think have been forced to move to retain a job because of the FL merger?

probably most if not all of the fl cities that wn closed up!

 

[WNMECH]

probably most if not all of the fl cities that wn closed up!

My question was employees not cities.

He said people have to move.
A dramatic increase.
How many do you think that is?

These cities don't have many employees.
Lets not get "dramatic".
The vast majority of ExFL employees are not being displaced.

 

[WorldTraveler]

robbed has it.

Are we up to 18 cities now that WN has closed since the FL merger?

what number of employees is it ok for WN to now displace?

 

[WNMECH]

robbed has it.

Are we up to 18 cities now that WN has closed since the FL merger?

what number of employees is it ok for WN to now displace?

How about you just answer the question.
You claim a dramatic increase because of the merger.
How many is that?

 

[WNMECH]

what number of employees is it ok for WN to now displace?

How many employees has WN laid off in their history?
How many has Delta? AA? US? Ect.
How many of those did not get the chance to move and keep their jobs?

 

[eolesen]

JAN is hardly a surprise. It was opened to thank the politicians who added Mississippi to the Wright Perimeter, and supposedly against the advise of some senior route planning guys at WN.

Now that Wright is wrong, JAN will be the first of several in-perimeter cities that will see schedules cut back or eliminated from DAL.

Amazing that we are now talking about job protection for WN employees, something only legacy carrier employees had to think about.

I guess you've had your head in the ground or somewhere else. WN has had job protection clauses in their contracts as long as they've been unionized, which is, well, pretty much the entire time they've been in business....
 

WN is looking just like a legacy airline more and more.

 
Oh, so now you finally agree it's not such a great label to use whenever it's convenient to fit the narrative?...
 

that's all fine but the simple fact is that WN now is making the same decisions of having to close stations and force employees to transfer that legacy carriers have done.'
WN's network is not ironclad which means their employees will suffer uncertainties just like legacy carrier employees have done.

The airline industry has long involved moves as part of what it takes to maintain a job.... for most WN employees, it has been voluntary. Now there are more and more that are having to move to retain their jobs... and the FL merger increased that number dramatically.

You're such a blowhard, you don't realize that WN's employees have been here before, and they'll be there again.

Maybe you need to stick to what you know?

 

[WorldTraveler]

How about you just answer the question.
You claim a dramatic increase because of the merger.
How many is that?

E is right... this isn't the first station that WN has closed. But how many times has WN closed 18 - count them 18 - stations in a little over a year?


BTW, nearly every other airline has transfer provisions in their contracts too... and non-union airlines have similar policies..... so, I'm sorry, but WN employees are getting exactly the same deal that any other airline has given its employees.


How many cities does WN fly to right now, anyway. And yes you have to include FL.... WN bought them even though they are dismantling it more and more each day.

I'm still appalled that you think even a few WN employees to be displaced is OK or justifiable.

You are a great spokesman for WN mgmt.

E,
I didn't say that being a legacy airline is a liability... but the legacy airlines do have the unfortunate experience of having had to do a whole lot of restructuring... that is what BK did. When WN does some of the very same cuts even outside of BK, then the line between legacy and LCC isn't near as wide as some once thought.

And I certainly agree with you that WN used JAN for political purposes only to dump them when they got what they wanted.

That example is not lost on Washington.

 

[eolesen]

Being displaced is a fact of life. We've all dealt with it, except for you who never apparently worked in the field.

But hey, thanks for explaining it.

 

[WorldTraveler]

yes, we know it is the way the airline industry has worked but WN was special... apparently a few WN employees is not too much of a price to say that WN has had the best job protection in the industry....
but since every airline has very similar policies, then maybe WN isn't so special after all.

And other airlines don't start whole new cities in order to get political favors only to shut them down when they don't need the favors anymore.

 

[robbedagain]

Wn I was referring to employees but I dont knw how many fl had at those cities but I cant believe it would be a whole lot.. fig the ramp may be outsourced and customer service fig cld be in neighborhood of say 20 people per station but thats just my guess

 

[WNMECH]

BTW, nearly every other airline has transfer provisions in their contracts too... and non-union airlines have similar policies..... so, I'm sorry, but WN employees are getting exactly the same deal that any other airline has given its employees.



I'm still appalled that you think even a few WN employees to be displaced is OK or justifiable.

You are a great spokesman for WN mgmt.

Nice try dodging your exaggeration. I never said any number of displacements were acceptable.

Are WN/FL employees getting the exact same deal as these Delta ex-employees?



http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2004-09-09/business/0409081285_1_grinstein-delta-air-lines-delta-director

How about these people?
Did they all get to keep their jobs if they just move?

http://wsws.org/en/articles/2012/09/amer-s20.html

Exact same deal, oh yeah, you are so right.

 

[WNMECH]

Wn I was referring to employees but I dont knw how many fl had at those cities but I cant believe it would be a whole lot.. fig the ramp may be outsourced and customer service fig cld be in neighborhood of say 20 people per station but thats just my guess

I would think you are close.
Do you believe this?

"Now there are more and more that are having to move to retain their jobs... and the FL merger increased that number dramatically".

 

[robbedagain]

Wn to be straight up honest its my guess based on say 4 or 5 flights a day out of those cities and that came from my head. I used it in an example of say 4 per flight its only my guess but I dont know to be exactly sure how many agents they actually had. I agree with you bro that its not drastic its probably no where near what US UA and all the legacies endured in the early
To mid 2000s

 

[WorldTraveler]

you, wnmech, love to point to the problems the legacy airlines had post 9/11 but the reality is that the industry has moved past that point and that is exactly why WN is having to do the same type of things that WN is now doing.

WN survived and thrived after 9/11 because it didn't have the legacy obligations and business models that the legacy carriers had but WN also had huge fuel hedges that allowed it to grow in markets where legacy carriers were weak and take significant share from them.

Now, WN's costs are not significantly lower than its mainline competitors and WN is now having to compete with the legacy carriers in many of the top markets in the US which WN avoided for decades and where those legacy carriers have significant advantages.
It is no surprise that WN is having to pull back in some of the small markets where the legacy carriers are not giving up market share to WN as they did in the past. Further, WN's acquisition of FL was no different than other network carrier acquisitions in that there was significant consolidation of networks after the mergers.

No one is justifying 7000 or 11000 or even one position lost.

WN is now having to make some of the same tough decisions regarding its business which result in levels of worker displacement that have never been seen before at WN; even if WN's levels have been lower than the rest of the industry, WN is still forcing changes on its employees of the same nature, even if not of the same scope, at rates that far exceed what WN has done in the past.

 

[Kev3188]

No one is justifying 7000 or 11000 or even one position lost.

Well, except for you. In the very.next.paragraph.

WN is now having to make some of the same tough decisions regarding its business which result in levels of worker displacement that have never been seen before at WN; even if WN's levels have been lower than the rest of the industry, WN is still forcing changes on its employees of the same nature, even if not of the same scope, at rates that far exceed what WN has done in the past.

But hey, it's "just business," right?