Will They Answer?

[700UW]

Please show me in the RLA or the NMB representation manaul where a change in representation forces the company into Section 6 negotiations.

When AMFA took over at WN and UAL they did not have the right to open the CBAs.

Time for the ibt to post the sections of the RLA and NMB's policies that forces a company to open section 6 negotiations when there is a change of representation when the CBA is not amendable.

Will they admit they are wrong and spread false information?

 

[delldude]

funny they were here just a minute ago....wonder where they went??

 

[gonzo]

Ok....I'm back!! This is what started this whole question (just to get everyone caught up)


The company/court ALLOWED you to have what you've got right now. The only thing I'm begging for is that the IAM hasn't destroyed the morale of the Old USA members to the point to where they don't even read their own contract. Those people have been beaten so many times that they just don't care anymore. I'm asking/begging that they try just one more time to improve their future.

Am I correct about this Mr. 70? This is what started the question?

 

[delldude]

Am I correct about this Mr. 70? This is what started the question?

Please show me in the RLA or the NMB representation manaul where a change in representation forces the company into Section 6 negotiations.

this is the entire queerie....

 

[Phantom Fixer]

The company/court ALLOWED you to have what you've got right now.

Wrong....WE the IAM had almost everything imagineable in regards to Maintenance....and the company tested the IAM when they outsourced the first few A320 S-Checks....and Binding Arbitraition won it back.

The Company had to go to Judge Mitchell again for his rubber stamp...and opposed to breaking what binding arbitraition won Us and the IAM....he opted to allow the company to outsource the Heavy Checks on the A330's , B767 / 757's and 50% of the B-737-300/400's instead of giving away all the Airbus Narrow body work.

Again...The IAM itself did not lose the battle with the company in any classic sense , as in it failed in the course of normal negotiations...it took a BK Judge who's duties are to look after the investors to take away work that has been that of the IAM represented workers since 1949.

Let the new U/LCC go into Chapter 11...and you too will get a quick education in what a BK Judge can do with a stroke of a pen. This is not the IAM's failure..or the AFA's , ALPA's of even the CWU's , we all took a bath in blood during two runs through Chapter 11....I hope you never have to get the education that you obviously need , to fully understand how things can and might transpire against a true Legacy Carrier and it employees

 

[delldude]

to the point there phantom fixer...to the point.

 

[gonzo]

We are well aware of what goes on in a BK.

"WE the IAM had almost everything imagineable in regards to Maintenance"

The word HAD is a very important part of your statement.

My original statement stands as stated.




It seems that you do not know as much about AWA Mechanics as you would have everyone think.

 

[fanlube]

Again...The IAM itself did not lose the battle with the company in any classic sense , as in it failed in the course of normal negotiations...it took a BK Judge who's duties are to look after the investors to take away work that has been that of the IAM represented workers since 1949.

The problem I have is with statements like these defending the IAM as totally defenseless in this whole process, They had the right to strike after the company gave the union their final offer. A strike vote should of been taken at least a week before the ratification vote to at least show the company the union was a little serious about standing up, however all the tough talk the LEADERSHIP did before that and never followed through with pretty much played in to the companies hand. Remember all the talk about walking off the job if they farm out 1 airbus well what happened when they did, nothing. My point is the leadership did all this tough talking before hand and when the company played their bluff the leadership was silent and now spin it as the membership voted on it.

 

[The End]

The unions(iam, ibt,twu,etc)are all a bunch of paper tigers. All talk no action. AMFA is the only one with any guts. The End

 

[pitguy]

My thoughts from first hand experiences:

Frank and Bill along with the rest of the IAM goons will do nothing for their members. Never have and never will. It is all about collecting dues and what they can get for themselves. The Teamsters may be the answer, but Airways mechanics need to be assured in writing they will not lose seniority to the AWA folks.

 

[smmech]

Man I had a rather large post and erased it somehow. Anyway I have read RLA section 6 ( listed as 156 in the index?) and there rest of the RLA for that matter. To me it seems there is a difference in what is being said and what others are saying others have said, I dont want to get involved in that but... The way Sec 6 reads " Procedure in changing rates of pay, rules, and working conditions." is how a carrier or a representative does just that.. There is nothing to say the IAM cannot file a Section 6 notice and if the company doesnt like this by law they have to meet with the union.. If they dont then the union files for mediation help.
For the IAM to tell me to my face that " No matter what you are going to be stuck with this BK contract" is just bulls*%t . With only 150,000 total worldwide members the IAM are just not strong enough to go throught it for you/us?. The just dont have the cash required to undertake the legal BS, for a group of this size. I am betting on the 1.7 million Teamsters to support us in this contract battle. It may not happen but atleast the Teamsters are workin for it. The fact the IAM even came to PHX lets me know there worried about it.

 

[SSRinPHX]

My husband, being in Ground MX with IBT is VERY worried about what IAM will do to his job. US West doesn't have A/P mechanics bid into it, they're a seperate workgroup. (Just covered under the same contract.) We're all pretty sure he and his coworkers will end up being jacked up out of a job if IAM takes over. (But hey, what's a couple hundred guys system wide right?)

 

[allstrike]

I am betting on the 1.7 million Teamsters to support us in this contract battle. It may not happen but atleast the Teamsters are workin for it.

How many times have you been through contract negotiations,how many times have you taken a strike vote,how many times have you walked a picket line in the snow and how many times have seen the company you work for go into BK.
Also how many AIRLINES have you done this at.
Ive been at it since 1983 2 airlines.

If you think for a minute those 1.7 million are in any way going to help you out in our current situation your wrong.If you think trucks will stop rolling and machines stop turning when you go on strike your wrong.

You will get an atta boy as the big guys thump there chest over bravery though..

 

[700UW]

Section 6 is traditional negotiations, either party files a Section 6 notice within 60 days of the AMENDABLE DATE of the contract, not anytime the union or the company wants too.

And the question still stands.

When are any of the scared ibt supporters going to post the facts from the RLA that states upon change of representation the union and the company must open section 6 negotiations.

A whole day has passed and the ibters are ducking the question that has been asked of them.

If you make promises you better be able to back them up and to me the ibters have failed.

Is that who you want to represent you?

And to Phantom Fixer, KUDOS, brilliant post.

 

[Awa Contract]

Nobody is ducking you it is called vacation during NASCAR week as I am at the track all week. Be back after sunday.