Why Tim Nelson is Dangerous to IAM-represented employees at United Airlines

[Tim Nelson]

You must have a different ta that had a few pages ripped out. Kindly read for the first time in your life both the 1999 and 2006 clauses. No...read a bit further...a little more....yep thats it! Do you see that little word "except"?

Go home and write it 100 times. Or better yet, take that word out and you will have a much better chance of keeping 10,000of 28,000 jobs unless uour assuming that 100% of everyone who gets contracted out wants to uproot their families.
You have no idea of labor history and language history. Otherwise you would know that less than 10% move when the union agrees to contract jobs out.

Again, a bit life application...how would ta1 have saved one job or just one of the 6 contracted out stations from being contracted out?

 

[Tim Nelson]

And please show us the language where our members have any rights to the work of one express jet...anywhere, after 12/31/16?
Didnt you say that was 67% of the work?? Hmmmm

 

[Tim Nelson]

For your information, usairways had that little word "except" in their agreement and still does. Never mind that that little itsy word that was and still is attached to our 1999 "iron clad" date has caused 62 stations to shut down and 90% of the iam membership to be laid off from those stations. Not that the aflcio minds since its unionized piedmont airline vending machine now does that work and pays dues.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Cricket

 

[Tim Nelson]

T5towbar. Scoplat saying the company MUSt not layoff 90% due to outsourcing is a lie. All the company has to do is outsource and then promise a job a few thousand miles away that it knows folks wont displace to. The only thing we know for sure is that 90% will take furlough and have their job contracted out before uprooting their family.

 

[jet job]

Reread the TA. Scoplat has made some good points. Express work is not protected at all and can be outsourced at anytime. The TA at least protected that work until 2016. We talked about this in the breakroom and our lead overheard us and came over and explained some things to us. She remembered when the whole concourse was filled with big airplanes and rj's were something delta flew over on the other side of the airport.

 

[jet job]

And please show us the language where our members have any rights to the work of one express jet...anywhere, after 12/31/16?
Didnt you say that was 67% of the work?? Hmmmm

Show me where we have the right to work it without the TA.

 

[jet job]

T5towbar. Scoplat saying the company MUSt not layoff 90% due to outsourcing is a lie. All the company has to do is outsource and then promise a job a few thousand miles away that it knows folks wont displace to. The only thing we know for sure is that 90% will take furlough and have their job contracted out before uprooting their family.

Talked to some of the "old timers in the bagroom many of them transferred around the system to maintain their jobs. One of them said this was their 4th city. No contract before this one ever protected the locations. Nelson do you believe that a union can force a airline to fly to a airport that is unprofitable?

 

[jet job]

Joe,
The ua ramp contract protects all united airline work. Start there and build off that instead of tossing that for two year drop deads.
I agree that express needs to be bargained for but you guys dont recognize that. Ta1 doesnt have one express work protected after a couple years. Again, stop the temporary band aids and quit the drop dead letters.

By your own count, about 7,000 out of 28,000 will remain afterthe drop dead trigger.

Nelson under the current contract we have the right to work united aircraft not express. wake up and look around over half of the flights are rj's flown by other companies that can have their own vendors. what is your solution?

 

[jet job]

You must have a different ta that had a few pages ripped out. Kindly read for the first time in your life both the 1999 and 2006 clauses. No...read a bit further...a little more....yep thats it! Do you see that little word "except"?

Go home and write it 100 times. Or better yet, take that word out and you will have a much better chance of keeping 10,000of 28,000 jobs unless uour assuming that 100% of everyone who gets contracted out wants to uproot their families.
You have no idea of labor history and language history. Otherwise you would know that less than 10% move when the union agrees to contract jobs out.

Again, a bit life application...how would ta1 have saved one job or just one of the 6 contracted out stations from being contracted out?

No but it could have provided a soft landing and gave them options 0f their choice.

 

[jet job]

What you negotiated was a weed that will whither away in two years.
85 stations will be eliminated
All express work will be contracted even at 7 protected stations
most likely few will remain in ord or other protected stations as management will shift more regional work to ord and more mainline work to cle. Talking about putting a target on a station back!
Again, the 1999 date doesnt mean dick if you support managements right to contract out but the member isnt willing to uproot and move thousands of miles.

Again why did you F the ramp and stores by splitting them up?

1999 means a lot to me. It moved from 1994 so it now protects me from furlough.

 

[jet job]

Nelson are you there?

The TA was multi layered. Hard to read but it offered true protection. What you are saying is keep what we have and build from that. It looks like Delaney did exactly that. So whats your beef? If we keep what we have all the company has to do is pull united aircraft and replace with skywest or air wisconsin and we are gone.

 

[jet job]

Btw, that loa in the back didnt extend express work through status quo so quit lying. Fact is that xpress has more work today in ord than your rejected job killing ta will in 2016. Ah ha ha. Lmao

Why would you lyof do you find it funny that express work was protected for the first time?

 

[jet job]

Nelson you have not offered any solutions............................why?

 

[jet job]

I want Nelson to answer.