Why Tim Nelson is Dangerous to IAM-represented employees at United Airlines

[Tim Nelson]

Agreed and that is why I have been saying all along the whole approach to collective bargaining (for you guys sake) needs to be changed to protect Express flying. Yes AA/DL/UA/OALs have considerable mainline orders and will always have mainline flying but the new generation of RJs have the potential to fly considerably longer routes and squeeze many markets. As Bob Owens has posted before (AA AMT), there comes a point when you give so much in concessions that it is no longer worthwhile saving the jobs. If UA is going to do this unlimited part time, unlimited split shift nonsense and expect people to move from their home station to one of the seven hubs is it really worthwhile? People like 700 and socplat13 cover themselves up in the name of solidarity and charge that anyone who disagrees is selling out their brothers and sisters. But again if by 2018 only seven stations are protected UA will be free to mix and match Express flying and possibly whittle down the seven stations to four, five or even fewer.

Josh

Whay is sad is that if any station, other than those 7, in the entire us increases flight activity, even to hub status, it will be all vended out to menzies or air willy. And Gosh forbid united pick up a small airline like alaska or air wisconsin or jetblue.

 

[Kev3188]

The TA is the strongest model to date in the industry.

No it isn't.

UAX is not protected unless this ratifies. You know this and you still keep saying otherwise. WHY?

Remind us again; what'd you guys give up to get a few years of UAX protection? Feel free to post the full language.

Nelson is just wrong in his assumptions and comprehension of job security. United is going to have 10 fleet service workers at every gate according to Nelson. What he forgets to tell everyone "under the current contract for ramp servicemen only have the right to work mainline" that means when the bigger rj's come on line next April our jobs are in jeopardy.

...And when the "drop dead" dates in your scope langauge come to pass a LOT more jobs will be in jepopardy.

A proactive NC would've negotiated excellent-and time bomb free- scope incorporating both M/L & UAX flying. You guys failed to do so. Why?

 

[psa8979]

What really defies all logic at UA/CO is that both above wing and below wing CS/FS work /jobs is IAM Member work and yet the UA/ NC comes out with a CBA # 2 that still allows contracting out work /jobs ??? Is that what the Membership at UA/CO told the IAM in the survey ?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Nelson is just wrong in his assumptions and comprehension of job security. United is going to have 10 fleet service workers at every gate according to Nelson. What he forgets to tell everyone "under the current contract for ramp servicemen only have the right to work mainline" that means when the bigger rj's come on line next April our jobs are in jeopardy.

Wrong?
Ok, management contracts with swissport at jfk to do your entire bag room 1 day after dos. Then it increases the vender to fill any attrition gaps. No overtime and any holes from early out folks goes to swissport. What language can your local chairman use to file a grievance against that?

 

[Socplat13]

Wrong?
Ok, management contracts with swissport at jfk to do your entire bag room 1 day after dos. Then it increases the vender to fill any attrition gaps. No overtime and any holes from early out folks goes to swissport. What language can your local chairman use to file a grievance against that?

Not 1 person can be displaced from their location due to outsourcing in 23 stations, which I believe JFK is a part of. So, you think if 4 people take the early out then UA will outsource the bagroom? Foolish. They will replace the 4 with new UA workers who will be at the bottom of the scale, not contract with Swissport. More fear-mongering by the little man.

Why hasn't UA taken that approach with the entire sub-CO side? Why hasn't UA taken that approach to the entire UA PCE side in which they only have to guarantee jobs to those with 1/26/1994 seniority? I will tell you why, because it makes no economic sense to do so.

So, here's Lil Tim's logic. Currently, there is an extremely vulnerable workforce to outsourcing (the entire sub-CO side has absolutely no protection, the UA PCE and Stores only have 1994 protection and about half the UA ramp has protection--about 7,000 in total COMBINED). So, now with the proposed CBA 25,000 have protection against being laid-off due to outsourcing and BECAUSE we have more protection UA will somehow crank up the outsourcing when they can do it now and outsource a many, many more people. Yeah, ok, that makes sense.

Why would UA even come to terms with the IAM? Just delay a couple of years more until we get to a PEB and in the meantime just bust out the hacksaw and outsource everyone possible? You make no sense Lil man.

All you want to do is fear-monger like the Joker in Batman.

 

[Kev3188]

...That's nice, but it's not what was asked of you.

I'm curious as well; what specific language woud a local chair be able to use in a scenario like the one Tim laid out?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Not 1 person can be displaced from their location due to outsourcing in 23 stations, which I believe JFK is a part of. So, you think if 4 people take the early out then UA will outsource the bagroom? Foolish. They will replace the 4 with new UA workers who will be at the bottom of the scale, not contract with Swissport. More fear-mongering by the little man.

Why hasn't UA taken that approach with the entire sub-CO side? Why hasn't UA taken that approach to the entire UA PCE side in which they only have to guarantee jobs to those with 1/26/1994 seniority? I will tell you why, because it makes no economic sense to do so.

So, here's Lil Tim's logic. Currently, there is an extremely vulnerable workforce to outsourcing (the entire sub-CO side has absolutely no protection, the UA PCE and Stores only have 1994 protection and about half the UA ramp has protection--about 7,000 in total COMBINED). So, now with the proposed CBA 25,000 have protection against being laid-off due to outsourcing and BECAUSE we have more protection UA will somehow crank up the outsourcing when they can do it now and outsource a many, many more people. Yeah, ok, that makes sense.

Why would UA even come to terms with the IAM? Just delay a couple of years more until we get to a PEB and in the meantime just bust out the hacksaw and outsource everyone possible? You make no sense Lil man.

All you want to do is fear-monger like the Joker in Batman.

socplat, neither of us know what managements plan is after it attains this contracting out language, maybe you are correct and management decides not to bother. My question was, as a local chairperson, what can you do to grieve it if they had greedy intentions to do everything that the question presented?
It is a reasonable question given the fact that ual management just whacked 6 stations and said publicly that they would consider all vending opportunities. Thats not fear mongering, hell that was even posted on iam141 website. And if we are suppose to trust management then why did delaney picket and go on tw talking about how this company wants to outsource. Answer the question i originally posted. Thank youin advance

 

[Tim Nelson]

Hello?

Cricket

 

[Tim Nelson]

Im not sure what world you are living in but how can you ask "why would management contract out?
Are u joking?
In the last 12 they contracted out cargo and gua work and announced 6 more stations being contracted out. Most of sCostations are contracted out except 30??? so managements character establishes my concern for you guys giving up mainline work rights in over 90% of all current stations. WTH?

 

[jet job]

Nelson if you write it enough you will believe it......... I'm not buying and either are a lot of UAL ramp

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yaaawwwwnnnn

 

[jet job]

Yawn back

 

[737823]

Nelson if you write it enough you will believe it......... I'm not buying and either are a lot of UAL ramp

Interesting, why is it that you and others going to such lengths to bash and discredit Tim if what he says is meaningless? Why did you rush to create an alias the very same day Tim first responded in this thread? I mean obviously people are reading and engaging in what he has to say in the past two weeks there has been nearly 5000 views (and counting) just on this forum.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

He wont answer the question.

 

[jet job]

He is not a United employee he has no bussiness interfering with United Airlines workers. If he wants to speak out perhaps he should quit USAIrways and get a job with United. This guy is effecting my Retro Pay and I have waited long enough I wish he would just mind his own business and worry about his own airline.