Why Tim Nelson is Dangerous to IAM-represented employees at United Airlines

[Socplat13]

96% have to have a job? Is that contract language? Unfortunately, it's the same as last time. You goobers said 90% had to have a job, then we found out with the language that there was no scope and that the iron clad "No furlough protection meant FURLOUGH unless you uprooted your family. Yaawwwwnnnnnnn.

Look, don't argue with me, rehash the same arguments you lost with 80% of those who voted against this last time. Just keep telling them that management is nice and even though you only protected work at 7 stations that management is going to sing kumbuya because it loves its employees and will not betray the stations. The only thing 90% in this TA is the amount of stations with no scope.

Keep up your fairy tale. "Long ago and far away.......". Hey, I did like how you continued your fairy tales by naming each article as parts. "Part 1" "Part 2". Lovely indeed.

You answered my question and lied. SWA says you cannot be involuntarily furloughed due to outsourcing. Doesn't say you have location protection. No contract does. Contract says that 96% of the membership cannot be furloughed due to outsourcing with no expiration date. That means major limitations on UA's ability to outsource work.

You also fail to mention that 20,000 IAM represented employees at UA now have "pure scope." That's Fleet, Customer Service, Stores and Res. 20,000! No contract has ever extended that kind of protection to that many people. None. Not to mention this contract has negotiated the highest wage ever achieved--EVER--in the airline industry for the classifications covered.

As a US Airways employee you are foolish to advocate for a UA worker to vote no.

 

[psa8979]

How is TN telling the Brothers / Sisters at UA/CO the truth about what the SCOPE language in TCBA # 2 does not say to protect their work, jobs, and current HOME Station DANGEROUS ? Facts are facts the truth is truth. I have learned over the years in this Industry , if it's not written in layman english you can't trust it. Contracting out or OUR CS/FS WORK needs to STOP ! If not now when ? When will the GREED end ? Good Luck to ALL ! Contracts NOW !

 

[Tim Nelson]

You answered my question and lied. SWA says you cannot be involuntarily furloughed due to outsourcing. Doesn't say you have location protection. No contract does. Contract says that 96% of the membership cannot be furloughed due to outsourcing with no expiration date. That means major limitations on UA's ability to outsource work.

You also fail to mention that 20,000 IAM represented employees at UA now have "pure scope." That's Fleet, Customer Service, Stores and Res. 20,000! No contract has ever extended that kind of protection to that many people. None. Not to mention this contract has negotiated the highest wage ever achieved--EVER--in the airline industry for the classifications covered.

As a US Airways employee you are foolish to advocate for a UA worker to vote no.

first off for clarification, how many of this 20,000 are included in the express time bombed protections which are set to detonate in 2018? I want to guess 5,000? So, in simplist terms, you are excited about having most of the work from 7 stations under scope where only 15,000 out of 30,000 may remain gainfully employed as management takes full advantage of what you agreed to? Btw, each merger has seen a net loss of two hubs. The last merger completed at delta saw cvg and mem get whacked. So i wouldnt take for granted that the members in the 7 stations wont be affected further.
Im not saying i know which hubs will be downsized by i think you clowns just gave CLE new life for the wrong reason of being a non union hub in a few years. Management gotta love u guys.
Imo, i cant see 9 hubs sticking around but i can see guam and cle being a big part of the future as vended out hubs.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Btw, your position necessarily has to be based on management loving its employees and singing kumbuya with them.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Why would any usair employee like the ua contract if it only offers 7 stations?
That flies in the face of all the solidarity we have attempted to build with our negotiation committe, who i assume arent going to loosen up scope like u did. I am concerned that the usairways eboard members may have supported the ua ta since you mentioned it. Please tell us they didnt?

 

[Tim Nelson]

And why do u keep talking about southwest? Let southwest take care of itself.
Lets talk about our membership and taking care of our district membership.
You guys say 96% no furlough protections. But the only 90%+ we know with certainty is that over 90% of the stations where we have members will not have rights or claims to their work.
Management 1
Iam 141 leaders 0

 

[jet job]

The only fairy tale is you Nelson .......you claim to be a union guy......you have never built anything for anyone but yourself..... I see you have kicked everyone off your Facebook page that disagrees with you...... But that isn't going to happen here......so keep posting your fairy tales. Perhaps you can make it as a French model

 

[jet job]

And why do u keep talking about southwest? Let southwest take care of itself.
Lets talk about our membership and taking care of our district membership.
You guys say 96% no furlough protections. But the only 90%+ we know with certainty is that over 90% of the stations where we have members will not have rights or claims to their work.
Management 1
Iam 141 leaders 0

No jimmy Nelson it is 96% protected from furlough. This is the first agreement that has absolute location protection for tier one and two stations. If your going to state something quit twisting jimmy

 

[jet job]

Hey jimmy what's your interest in United's business........other than trying to further your own political career. You came in a very distant third ....?

 

[jet job]

Why would any usair employee like the ua contract if it only offers 7 stations?
That flies in the face of all the solidarity we have attempted to build with our negotiation committe, who i assume arent going to loosen up scope like u did. I am concerned that the usairways eboard members may have supported the ua ta since you mentioned it. Please tell us they didnt?

There goes jimmy Nelson goes again showing his reading and comprehension levels are sub par for his age group he forgets the tier two, stores, and res buildings and the seniority protections. Come on man and geesh.

 

[jet job]

Cricket ......? Your term

 

[Tim Nelson]

No jimmy Nelson it is 96% protected from furlough. This is the first agreement that has absolute location protection for tier one and two stations. If your going to state something quit twisting jimmy

Yours is the first agreement that I know of in the industry that has detonation dates where only 7 stations will remain. What is even more troubling is that there are no protections preventing the airline from beefing up flight activity at non union stations. At US AIRWAYS, our scope sucks but we have protections against beefing up non union stations. We insourced ATL last year, and it appears IAH will be insourced this April since it has maintained 14 flights a day.

Since your TA offers no protections against that, management can and WILL BE encouraged to increase flight activity at any station of their choosing and have a union free environment.

And let's talk about the "Then there were 7" stations:
1. Every single merger within our membership, when completed, has done away with two hubs. PSA/USair: SAN, LAX; Piedmont/USair: Day/BWI. America West/US AIRW: LAS LAX. Even outside our membership in DL142: Delta/NW: Mem/CVG. So the question is, which two hubs will go when United finally realizes the synergies?
What we know is that of the 9 hub facilities, GUM and CLE will stay since they have union detonation dates in them and can be operated union free. So, out of the remaining 7, which two will be downsized? Your guess of which two will be just as valid as mine at this point.

OK, Let's talk about your 'no furlough' protections where you claim 96% are on lock down protections.

1. You claim lock down protections for ALL members on the payroll since 1999. Please share how those lock down protections are better than the "Lock down 1994" no furlough protections of the current PCE agreement that happened to go from 22,000 members down to 8,000 in a decade? Where the hell did 15,000 members go that had this guaranteed no furlough clause? Hell, we have the 1999 at US AIRWAYS but we lost 60 stations, and our numbers went from 8,500 down to 3,900 until the westie merger brought us back up to 5,900.

2. Let's talk about your guaranteed "no furlough due to outsourcing" language.
Don't you know what happened in EWR cargo? I thought you were the AGC there Mike? The IBT agreement had merger protections against contracting out, and you and your Boss Delaney claimed in your goofy update "You can't harmonize out of a agreement". So, management contracted out cargo but didn't lay anyone off so they can skirt by that clause. They just brought everyone over to the ramp. Maybe T5Towbar can explain better.

Several months later, management claimed it was overstaffed and laid off workers. I wrote a grievance with Mitch Buckley but management claimed the layoff had nothing to do with cargo. The union leaders had their fingers up their arse and were powerless to enforce.

TA2 is laid with more detonations than a Vietnam mine field. By application, out of 30,000 members, without any help from management I can't see any way there will be more than 15,000 out of 30,000 left after the detonation dates. To say otherwise would necessarily have to suggest that management truly loves their employees and defused the detonation dates.
However, if management shifts work from two hubs, historically speaking, how could you even be left with more than 10,000 members? And with unlimited part time, how many full time jobs will be left, a few thousand? Oh yeah, you promised that since part time is unlimited that all current full timers can not be reduced to part time for the sake of part time. Management sure is going to carve that one up in a few years as well.

Get ready for an explosion!
regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

If the TA comes in, it comes in and the membership will have to live with it. If the TA gets passed then it will be a vote of no confidence in the current leadership since the leadership doesn't listen.

At US AIRWAYS, Canale prevailed and the second TA was passed in May of 2008. Our US AIRWAYS members promptly voted his ass out of office by 90%, 3 weeks later.

Time will tell. Good luck and I wish the United brothers and sisters the best. Me watching football the rest of the day.

 

[700UW]

The US Airways members of 141 didnt have enough votes, you are outnumbered by UA by at least a 3 to 1 margin back then.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The US Airways members of 141 didnt have enough votes, you are outnumbered by UA by at least a 3 to 1 margin back then.

How do they say...every vote counts. But u r correct 700, lcc is outnumbered. United will most likely determine outcomes unless things are close. I think most insurgents are comfortable with that this time.