Whose Contract Survives For Fleet Service

[Tim Nelson]

If the accounting has AWA as the survivor then it seems to me that the AWA contracts are the surviving ones regardless of which unions win run-off elections.

For fleet service it means the hope for better in the long term since the AWA contract is up. As horrible as the TWU contract is, it is much better than the IAM contract, which resembles an enema.

BTW, looks like AWA is hiring a bunch so it wouldn't surprise me if it pushes the TWU over the 35% mark to help secure a run-off. And the US AIRWAYS numbers are dwindling as the recall list are becoming 'shorter'.

regards,

 

[diogenes]

It's going to be interesting.

I'm betting the IAM is gambling they can 'accrete' the HP fleet agents.

Personally, I don't think it should be so easy.

Let the people (fleet agents at HP and US) have their say, and a vote.

 

[robbedagain]

lets hope that the IAM one doesnt survive because of what they did to the usair people and the contracts regardless of the fact that the old saying is that this wasnt a contract nor a t/a

 

[IAM1776PHL]

If the accounting has AWA as the survivor then it seems to me that the AWA contracts are the surviving ones regardless of which unions win run-off elections.

For fleet service it means the hope for better in the long term since the AWA contract is up. As horrible as the TWU contract is, it is much better than the IAM contract, which resembles an enema.

BTW, looks like AWA is hiring a bunch so it wouldn't surprise me if it pushes the TWU over the 35% mark to help secure a run-off. And the US AIRWAYS numbers are dwindling as the recall list are becoming 'shorter'.

regards,

[post="283508"][/post]​

I hope your right cause the iam deserves to be replaced !
An election would let the Union members decide on what is right for them
not the union unofficals. Justice at its best, lets vote ( what could the iam promise us to try to sway the vote...another concesion stand.

 

[700UW]

An election would let the Union members decide on what is right for them
not the union unofficals.

[post="283524"][/post]​

Kinda like how you complain that the union members voted in your CBA for Fleet?

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

Unless USAIR or AWA employees give up their successorship clauses in their contracts. AWA and USAIR will have to be integrated per NMB rules and the ALLEGHENY-MOHAWK CAB agreement. Since USAIR is the bigger of the two airlines, I would assume that the IAM contract(if you can call it that) will take presedence over the mergered airlines contracts regarding ground workers anyway.

 

[700UW]

It all depends if HP's TWU rampers are 35%# of the US Fleet Service.

 

[IAM1776PHL]

Kinda like how you complain that the union members voted in your CBA for Fleet?

[post="283526"][/post]​

nope my complaint is if the concession stand was close then "the concession stand was close". no if ands or buts no judge no lawer spin no iam b/s .

 

[barbeetantrums]

If the accounting has AWA as the survivor then it seems to me that the AWA contracts are the surviving ones regardless of which unions win run-off elections.

For fleet service it means the hope for better in the long term since the AWA contract is up. As horrible as the TWU contract is, it is much better than the IAM contract, which resembles an enema.

BTW, looks like AWA is hiring a bunch so it wouldn't surprise me if it pushes the TWU over the 35% mark to help secure a run-off. And the US AIRWAYS numbers are dwindling as the recall list are becoming 'shorter'.

regards,

[post="283508"][/post]​

Exactly 35% of the combined fleet services workforce are AWA. This means that under the Allegheny-Mohawk LPP there will be a vote by the workforce for representation. Both unions will campaign.

 

[drifterreno]

I have an interesting question. What if the employees choose not to have a union? I know most of U's res agents that I've spoken to don't want CWA because they feel they've been sold down the river--or ocean as it may be. I also know a lot of HP res agents are disenchanted with the teamsters. We don't know what's going on at meetings. News letters are given out 1 month late and no one that is at the meetings will talk about them. This is causing distrust for the teamsters. When and if we vote what if we decide to not have a union? Can this be done?

 

[barbeetantrums]

I have an interesting question. What if the employees choose not to have a union? I know most of U's res agents that I've spoken to don't want CWA because they feel they've been sold down the river--or ocean as it may be. I also know a lot of HP res agents are disenchanted with the teamsters. We don't know what's going on at meetings. News letters are given out 1 month late and no one that is at the meetings will talk about them. This is causing distrust for the teamsters. When and if we vote what if we decide to not have a union? Can this be done?

[post="283561"][/post]​

I have been at AWA before we had a union.
I have been at AWA after we had a union.
Union is better. TWU is nothing to cheer about (in fact they suck) but much better than it was before.
Believe you me.

 

[REACC1]

Consider a single union for ramp and cs functions.

 

[robbedagain]

Consider a single union for ramp and cs functions.

[post="283577"][/post]​

make sure it aint the iam because all they want is your union dues but wont defend or protect you. just ask some of the usair folks in some of those cities, including phx where it was contracted out.

 

[700UW]

nope my complaint is if the concession stand was close then "the concession stand was close". no if ands or buts no judge no lawer spin no iam b/s .

[post="283549"][/post]​

Do you not understand when a company files a Section 1113 C motion, it forces the union to meet, negotiate and try to reach a new agreement?

That is the law.

Exactly 35% of the combined fleet services workforce are AWA. This means that under the Allegheny-Mohawk LPP there will be a vote by the workforce for representation. Both unions will campaign.

[post="283559"][/post]​

Alleghany/Mohawk, does not cover union elections or determine if a vote takes place for which union gets representation, it is a policy of seniority intergration.

The National Mediation Board (NMB), a government agency, determines if an election takes place.

make sure it aint the iam because all they want is your union dues but wont defend or protect you.  just ask some of the usair folks in some of those cities, including phx where it was contracted out.

[post="283579"][/post]​

That is interesting, I guess the HMO, 401K and Airbus Arbitrations were nothing for the mechanic and related.

And I guess the big CLT mail grievance was nothing either.

And I guess 9/11, two bankruptcies and rising fuel prices does not effect the airline indutry either.

AFA, ALPA, AMFA, CWA, IAM, IBT, PAFCA and TWU and all the legacy and some of the LCC's have all taken concessions means nothing either.

 

[robbedagain]

Do you not understand when a company files a Section 1113 C motion, it forces the union to meet, negotiate and try to reach a new agreement?

That is the law.
Alleghany/Mohawk, does not cover union elections or determine if a vote takes place for which union gets representation, it is a policy of seniority intergration.

The National Mediation Board (NMB), a government agency, determines if an election takes place.
That is interesting, I guess the HMO, 401K and Airbus Arbitrations were nothing for the mechanic and related.

And I guess the big CLT mail grievance was nothing either.

And I guess 9/11, two bankruptcies and rising fuel prices does not effect the airline indutry either.

AFA, ALPA, AMFA, CWA, IAM, IBT, PAFCA and TWU and all the legacy and some of the LCC's have all taken concessions means nothing either.

[post="283590"][/post]​

nd i guess losing 30 cities and 600 employees is nothing as well?