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[Buck]

Except the TWU was busy "negotiating" concessions.

 

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Except the TWU was busy "negotiating" concessions.

That was more of a recent, and ugly, development.

 

[Buck]

1983, it was called the B-scale. In fact the B-scale was so devasting to the profession of the mechanic craft and class, that even non-union Delta now hates the TWU. The TWU has been "negotiating" concessions ever since.

 

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My point is that Regional Airlines such as Eagle, have always been compensated somewhat lower the the majors, at least for the mechanic craft and class. I believe that it is a sore issue with those Eagle mechanics. Now if the TWU is able to gain the parameters of the proposal, then they will be making comparable wages of their corporate major. As their wages increase, the wages of Americans mechanics decrease. Yet both are members of the TWU.

Oh...Sorry...I thought you meant the concessions mentioned in your quote above. You know, the ones where you were crying that Eagle mechanics were gaining yet American mechanics were giving back.

What was that you said about Eagle mechanics? They should be making as much as American mechanics?

How does that fit in with your original position here when you had a problem that they were actually making it up to a whole 93% of your pay?

 

[Buck]

I was not crying about anything. I was making a point. I have been advocating the equalization of all airline mechanics. You on the other hand are taking a defensive stance against this position. I want all mechanics in the same union, a mechanics union. I want the same pay and compensation across the board.

Yes the Eagle mechanic should be making as much as the American mechanic, but not under the concesionary representation we both have now.

There is no reason to cut my pay to increase yours, except under the industrial unionism provided by the TWU. Nor do I want the pilots or flight attendants pay adjusted to compensate the mechanic. I want my wages back and in fact I believe that mechanics are underpaid.

Again you misunderstood. If my pay is to low, than yours is that much lower. You need an increase just to catch me. There are only four real problems I have. 1) The concessions we took, 2) Your underpaid, 3) the OSM and 4 the concessions since 1983 (the B-scale) which drove everyones wages down.

 

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I was not crying about anything. I was making a point. I have been advocating the equalization of all airline mechanics. You on the other hand are taking a defensive stance against this position. I want all mechanics in the same union, a mechanics union. I want the same pay and compensation across the board.

Yes the Eagle mechanic should be making as much as the American mechanic, but not under the concesionary representation we both have now.

There is no reason to cut my pay to increase yours, except under the industrial unionism provided by the TWU. Nor do I want the pilots or flight attendants pay adjusted to compensate the mechanic. I want my wages back and in fact I believe that mechanics are underpaid.

Again you misunderstood. If my pay is to low, than yours is that much lower. You need an increase just to catch me. There are only four real problems I have. 1) The concessions we took, 2) Your underpaid, 3) the OSM and 4 the concessions since 1983 (the B-scale) which drove everyones wages down.

"I was not crying about anything. I was making a point. I have been advocating the equalization of all airline mechanics. You on the other hand are taking a defensive stance against this position."

I'm arguing that I shouldn't get a raise up to American wages? Yea right. I was just pointing out that our raise was relatively not any larger then yours. Your original post seemed to me to be yet another attempt to stir the pot using Eagle. This time with you it is our contractual wage openers, last time it was Dave Stewart's factually incorrect statement that your wage concessions are funding Eagle growth.



"Yes the Eagle mechanic should be making as much as the American mechanic, but not under the concesionary representation we both have now."

What difference does it make if we reach pay equality under the TWU or AMFA?
For that matter, has Mesaba reached pay equality with NWA or ACA with UAL?



"There is no reason to cut my pay to increase yours, except under the industrial unionism provided by the TWU."

Yes or No, Do you believe that you were asked to take a pay cut to fund our possible pay raise?

 

[Buck]

The answer is no. I have been attempting to make that clear. Your fight is with the industry that places Regional carriers and their mechanics in a lower class. I totally disagree with this position. You are an aircraft mechanic and should be treated as one.

The difference in unions is the philosophy. I do believe that AMR lays out just so much of the budget for labor and under the TWU there is sharing of this without regard to your skill as a mechanic. That is Industrial Unionism. Craft Unionism, is where you would be compensated because of your skill and profession. As long as both of us are in a Industrial Union, we will never be recognized properly.