WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF I SIGN A UNION CARD?

[AIRWOMAN]

You have not done it yet, so why bother now?

Keep trying though I am amused by your posts and you still have not showed me where in the RLA it states upon a change of representation that you get to renegotiate the CBA.

This goes back a few......but you didn't answer.

Where does it say that the the other contract will disappear if there is a transitional agreement? Wouldn't both disappear if a transitional agreement is negotiated? Aren't both contracts used, to come up with a transitional agreement?

I really wish that you would back up your statements with some references to the "facts" that you continually post.

And you should show everyone where it says it doesn't. PROVING YOUR STATEMENTS.

 

[Bear96]

I think 700 has actually been hired by the IBT, to drive people away from the IAM.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

That's funny........I guess success must be had somewhere........and it looks to me, like 700UW is succeeding!!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Seems to me, though it's none of my business, that there's a little "apple to oranges" and "assuming outcomes before they happen" going on here.....

The WN example of not being able to renegotiate a CBA after changing representation is accurate, but it's also apples to oranges. WN was (& is) a single carrier with a single group of mechanic/related that had a valid contract that wasn't amendable. None of those factors are applicable in the current IBT/IAM situation.

Likewise, assuming that the IAM will be successful in becoming the representative of the mechanic/related for the merged company is assuming events that haven't happened yet. If it happens, the IAM contract will survive and isn't amendable till 2009. Any transition agreement will merely spell out how former IBT members will transition to the IAM contract.

There is, of course, another possibility - that IBT is selected as the representative of the mechanic/related for the combined company. Since the IBT contract is apparently currently amendable, Section 6 negotiations would continue (assuming they hadn't been concluded by that point) and it is possible that some success could be achieved in combining the best of both the IAM & current IBT contracts, though nothing is guaranteed.

So it seems to this outsider relatively simple. If you like the IAM contract, support the IAM - you'll have that contract through at least 2009.

If you like the IBT contract or want a chance to improve either contract, support the IBT - you'll have a chance at making changes through current IBT Section 6 negotiations (again, nothing guaranteed).

Jim

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Well put BB.

True.......no guarantees but maybe this will be people thinking and instead of guaranteeing their situation by DOING NOTHING, they will attempt to guarantee their future by not being so closed minded.

Time to open the collective minds. 😀

 

[gonzo]

Very well put BoeingBoy. 🙂

 

[700UW]

The only thing is the ibt contract goes away upon single carrier status once a transition agreement is reached and why would the company continue when the IAM is certified as the representative when they know the ibt contract is gone.

And the IAM CBA survives, not the ibt.

 

[BoeingBoy]

That's what I meant by "assuming an outcome that hasn't happened yet"....

If the IAM is successful in becoming the mechanic/related for the combined company, whether thru fiat or vote, then the IAM contract survives and isn't amendable till 2009, just like you and I said.

But there's that "if" at the front of that sentence....

Jim

 

[700UW]

even if the ibt wins an election the IAM CBA survives, not the ibt cba.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Now that's something I'd like to see the references for.....

Jim

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Me too.........back to posting information with NOTHING to back it up.

So let's have it.........once and for all. :angry:

 

[awausairtech]

You left out one little detail - the IAM contract is not amendable till 2009. Isn't there currently another contract for mechanic & related?

Jim

Nice Job JIm. Answer is ( THE TEAMSTERS CONTRACT ) That's what Mr. 7 does not want all the IAM members to know. Another one of his half truths.
What Mr.7 said about the IAM conract is true that IAM contract is not amendable and has to stay till 2009 if we stay with the IAM. :down:.
( VOTE FOR IBT )

What he FALIED to tell all of us AND IS TRING TO HIDE from the IAM members is that the TEAMSTERS CONTRACT under negotiation at this time CAN BE put into place if it is SIGNED.

SO ALL YOU USAIR EAST BOYS AND GIRLS NEED TO GET YOUR TEAMSTERS CARDS IN SO WE CAN STARTED ON A NEW WAY OF LIFE NOW NOT IN 2009.
DO NOT LET THE IAM SCARE YOU. GET THAT 35% TO GET THE VOTE. THEN THE 50%+1 VOTE YOU WILL HAVE ALL THE TEAMSTERS AT AWA IN THAT VOTE AND I DO NOT KNOW ONE PERSON THAT WANTS THE IAM SO THAT MEANS 850 VOTES OFF THE BAT.

Also you would get rid of the IAM and the back door closed sell you out union.

 

[700UW]

You fail to grasp reality.

No matter who represents the company's M&R group the current IAM CBA will be the contract, not any ibt cba.

Go ask the NMB and they will tell you the same even the ibt has said the IAM CBA will be the surviving contract.

Stop posting false information.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

You fail to grasp reality.

No matter who represents the company's M&R group the current IAM CBA will be the contract, not any ibt cba.

Go ask the NMB and they will tell you the same even the ibt has said the IAM CBA will be the surviving contract.

Stop posting false information.

700UW......you seem to be so dedicated to your current situation so I have one question and PLEASE answer with all the honesty and truthfulness you can muster.

Are you happy with your current contract and union representation, and if so, why? :unsure:

 

[700UW]

With all the circumstances behind it it is a mixed bag.

The contract was a final offer which was the lesser of two evils it was either take it or have the court impose a worse one. I voted no.

And yes I am happy with the IAM as they did they best they could with the cards dealt to them. I know I was there and part of it.