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[ktflyhome]

At least Captain Kirk had the health and well-being of his crew in mind!!!

Beam me up Scotty!!!!!

 

[700UW]

Hey he is a captain, and he has to go down with the ship!

 

[USA320Pilot]

Light Years:

What you fail to understand is that I am not communicating with the frequent malcontent posters, but sending a real message to the silent majority. It’s called a third party message.

Most reasonable people understand the reality of the marketplace and basic economics, whereas those who have so much pent up anger refuse to recognize the changing marketplace and the need to adjust.

That’s the true definitions of insanity, just like in the steel industry.

It’s easy for you to come onto this website while you are furloughed because you do not have a hand to play, but it’s different for many other employees. The sentiment of this board, which is much like a cease pool, is not the sentiment of the rank-and-file members.

It does not matter what you or I think. The only thing that matters is that the marketplace is driving change and there are thousands of people who would work at US Airways for an America West type contract. That’s why the LCCs and RJ operators are growing like the weeds.

Do I like it? Nope, but I will not bury my head in the sand and vent on a message board instead of facing reality.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[pitguy]

USA320Pilot,

Why don't you take your own concessions and don't ask me to save your a$$ by agreeing to take concessions myself? I am well aware that you HAVE to make it work here because YOUR other options are an even worse option for YOU. On the other hand I have options that you don't have and that is why I will not vote 'yes' for any cuts. Even if it means the doors will close. So let me say to you if you want to save yourself. Go ahead because I will not be helping you. 1992 will haunt you.


Respectfully and huggy huggy,

Pitguy


--See you on the other side.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Light Years:

What you fail to understand is that I am not communicating with the frequent malcontent posters, but sending a real message to the silent majority. It’s called a third party message.

Most reasonable people understand the reality of the marketplace and basic economics, whereas those who have so much pent up anger refuse to recognize the changing marketplace and the need to adjust.

That’s the true definitions of insanity, just like in the steel industry.

It’s easy for you to come onto this website while you are furloughed because you do not have a hand to play, but it’s different for many other employees. The sentiment of this board, which is much like a cease pool, is not the sentiment of the rank-and-file members.

It does not matter what you or I think. The only thing that matters is that the marketplace is driving change and there are thousands of people who would work at US Airways for an America West type contract. That’s why the LCCs and RJ operators are growing like the weeds.

Do I like it? Nope, but I will not bury my head in the sand and vent on a message board instead of facing reality.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

USA320

Not only are you venting you are pleading for your job on here and I won't say where your head is but you are correct about one thing its not the sand.

IF this so-called cess pool means nothing then why do you continue your rant and raves?

Your posts are like weeds why don't you go to the LCC'S?

 

[jimntx]

Tim:

I disagree. My understanding of S.1113 of the BK law, which deals with labor agreements, is that the company can ask the judge (or vice versa I suppose) to force new negotiations. The judge cannot void the contract (a change made post-Lorenzo). If the company pushes forward with such a request, and their negotiating position is concessions or else, the unions may have to go to 'self-help' just to maintain the current contracts.

My gut tells me (and some posters on these forums) that some unions feel they have given enough, and that there is no more left to give. So I think you could indeed see a strike if management forces the labor issue in BK Ch. 11. I think this would happen prior to any exit financing strategy being developed, as I think management would have to present cost reductions to lenders/investors in order to obtain exit financing.

That's just my hunch, and based on my understanding of S.1113. If I am wrong, please correct me on S.1113.

Actually, the judge doesn't force anything. Sec 1113 requires further good faith negotiations between the employer and the represented employees, and the court must find that the employees rejected the company's offer for no good reason [emphasis mine], before the court can allow rejection of the contracts.

I found an excellent paper this morning by googling on this very subject. The good news is that the employer doesn't appear to have carte blanche in bankruptcy. But then, neither do the unions. There is the implication that one or more courts have ruled that the unions do not have self-help rights while in bankruptcy except under some rather draconian conditions.

The bad news is that the intersection of the bankruptcy law and the RLA is not specifically addressed in either act, and is, therefore, "open to interpretation." The paper is rather long, but I think would be good reading for anyone in your unions' current position.

RLA and Bankruptcy law paper

 

[Light Years]

It’s easy for you to come onto this website while you are furloughed because you do not have a hand to play, but it’s different for many other employees. The sentiment of this board, which is much like a cease pool, is not the sentiment of the rank-and-file members.

It does not matter what you or I think.

I'm assuming you mean cesspool (unless I'm misunderstanding... I've never heard of a ceasepool). If I thought a place were a cesspool, I'd no longer frequent it, much less be its most frequent user.

I'm well aware of the sentiment of the rank and file members and from my experience its pretty similar to what you see here, if less informed. I think you know this too, why else would you post so much, and so desperately?

I believe you have quite a firm grasp on whats going on in the industry. You know that your job at the level you enjoy it at is gone. Your job, with the help of the LCCS, regionals and eager youngsters has become just that- another job. You're hoping you can preserve the last few years of your own career, who cares about your junior peers or the other workgroups you work with. Its all about you.

The nice thing about this board is just as your frailty and desperation is so apparent from your posts, others too can honestly express thier thoughts that they wouldnt neccessarily share with an self-centered pilot out on the line. The other way people can annonomously express thier beliefs is voting, and they will.

I agree with you that in the big, big picture it does not matter what you or I think. So why all the attempts to convert?

 

[FlyingHippie]

Its easy for some people to post when they have had and continue to have a direct effect on more furloughs to hang on to their bottom line. i find the whole thing quite sick.

 

[funguy2]

What you fail to understand is that I am not communicating with the frequent malcontent posters, but sending a real message to the silent majority. It’s called a third party message.

Fine. However, there are other opinions and indeed, sometimes you have your facts something less that accurate. Therefore, the rest of us have the right to point out those inconsistencies and other points of view to the third party, silent majority. Thus, the third party, silent majority can take all the facts and opinions and make their own determination as to their own feelings and opinions, rather than take one guy's word for it.

 

[TheLarkAscending]

What you fail to understand is that I am not communicating with the frequent malcontent posters, but sending a real message to the silent majority. It’s called a third party message.

It does not matter what....<snip>....I think.

You've admonished someone for failing to understand, perhaps you should look in the mirror when next you make that statement.

How do you actually know to whom you are communicating? Are you sending out super special double secret vibes (insert Twilight Zone theme music here) that reach strictly your imagined silent majority?!

Out of all of your posts, this one has got to be the most humorous and coincidentally the most bewildering :unsure:. Are you literally stating that you actually believe you have some sort of control, power, influence over anyone? Holy Cow....get a grip. Surely you must have a greater sense of the world outside of your own existence than that?

Your last sentence is your most accurate to date.