What the deal AMP

[Ken MacTiernan]

Well I seen what happened last year at the MSC and was not surprised by seeing the SMA classification in the TA, I rather expected it...

Maybe you can answer this. What is AMP's intentions, what category's will they represent?

Oh, I know who you are too....Howdy pardner 😉

You weren't surprised by the sma classification but you attribute it to the MSC because AA had one of three teams competed in the MRO/OEM Category? How about you come and attend the MSC and cheer on ALL of the AMTs who are competing?

AMP's intentions? I can say the intentions are to promote our craft and class.

 

[1AA]

AMP Drive Update:

The AMP Steering Committee would like to announce the kickoff of the Resign Campaign and thank all of you for helping collect cards thus far in removing the TWU from representing our Craft & Class at AA. The AMP Drive has reached the one year mark from when we started the drive. As you all know Authorization Cards are good for one year from when they are signed and the AMP Steering Committee has decided to continue this drive thru the first of next year. With this in mind we have ordered 10,000 more AMP Authorization Cards and ask that you please resign as soon as possible.

It has been an interesting and rewarding year in which we have met many new friends and due to everyone’s hard work cards are still being signed; but not at the pace we need to finish by the end of July. With that said a lot has been accomplished and with your help the AMP Steering Committee is presently made up of people from across the system. We have been holding weekly conference calls and sometimes several calls weekly to get where we are today.

From the beginning the AMP Steering Committee put the structure, foundation and roots of AMP in place which consist of legal consultation, AMP Constitution, AMP web site (WWW.AMPNATIONAL.ORG), e-mail/contact data base, AMP legal filing with the government and AMP Informational Meetings across the system. Several mailings targeting 3,300 previous card signers, who have not yet signed this time. The reality is if half of these previous card signers filled out an AMP Authorization Card today we would have enough cards to file for an election between the TWU and AMP with the NMB.

Some of you might be asking why continue this drive thru the first of the year. The answer is because only on a few occasions has a card drive been completed in one year. We are very close to the required number of cards to reach our goal of filing with the NMB. We need approximately 1200 cards to reach that point and the fact that we do not have a contract makes a compelling case to finish the drive.

If you have helped to this point that is great! The AMP Steering Committee is asking for your continued help in organizing the last remaining months until we get a vote. If you are standing on the sideline we ask that you step forward and help for the next six or seven months. We have all invested a lot of time and effort to get rid of the TWU so let’s not watch all our efforts past and present go to waste. Everyone needs to get involved! If we can get all those who have helped in the past together with those who have been pushing the current drive we are certain to finish the job.

The TWU is aware of our approaching one year deadline and Jim Little has recently stated “something big is going to happen in August”. Ironically AMP Authorization Cards start to expire at the end of July and the beginning of August. If last week’s aircraft order is any indication the next TWU sell out is right around the corner. Regardless of what happens we need to keep the pressure on and fire the TWU once and for all.

Please contact and AMP Organizer to assist in getting the cards out in your shops and docks and have them resigned. This will again heighten the awareness of AMP and continue to show the company and TWU that AMP is not leaving! Again the AMP Steering Committee would like to thank all of you who have helped in the past and we ask for your continued support.

Please spread the word and forward this to all the AA title I & II contacts.

AMP Constitution www.ampnational.org/2amp_constitution_updatedpd.pdf From here you may print, save to your files, and/or share with others, the entire AMP Constitution.

AMP website is www.AMPNATIONAL.org

AMP Facebook is www.facebook.com/AMP.AA.2010

Thanks for your SUPPORT

 

[WeAAsles]

Freq Fly, are you kidding? The unions dictating terms.... At the TWU, we haven't had a pay raise in almost three years. Prior to that we were in a VERY concessionary 5 year contract. We had less than a year to appreciate our AMFA contract, before that was taken away. The six year contract before that was - once again, very lame as well.
My point, WTF are you talking about? UNIONS DICTATING TERMS my a$$...

Hey Vortilon since you guys are no longer talking really about AMFA anymore and are back to AMP I though you might be happy to see this old thread dragged out of the attic and dusted off.

So will AMP re-register their webpage since it’s no longer active?

 

[WeAAsles]

AMP Drive Update:

The AMP Steering Committee would like to announce the kickoff of the Resign Campaign and thank all of you for helping collect cards thus far in removing the TWU from representing our Craft & Class at AA. The AMP Drive has reached the one year mark from when we started the drive. As you all know Authorization Cards are good for one year from when they are signed and the AMP Steering Committee has decided to continue this drive thru the first of next year. With this in mind we have ordered 10,000 more AMP Authorization Cards and ask that you please resign as soon as possible.

It has been an interesting and rewarding year in which we have met many new friends and due to everyone’s hard work cards are still being signed; but not at the pace we need to finish by the end of July. With that said a lot has been accomplished and with your help the AMP Steering Committee is presently made up of people from across the system. We have been holding weekly conference calls and sometimes several calls weekly to get where we are today.

From the beginning the AMP Steering Committee put the structure, foundation and roots of AMP in place which consist of legal consultation, AMP Constitution, AMP web site (WWW.AMPNATIONAL.ORG), e-mail/contact data base, AMP legal filing with the government and AMP Informational Meetings across the system. Several mailings targeting 3,300 previous card signers, who have not yet signed this time. The reality is if half of these previous card signers filled out an AMP Authorization Card today we would have enough cards to file for an election between the TWU and AMP with the NMB.

Some of you might be asking why continue this drive thru the first of the year. The answer is because only on a few occasions has a card drive been completed in one year. We are very close to the required number of cards to reach our goal of filing with the NMB. We need approximately 1200 cards to reach that point and the fact that we do not have a contract makes a compelling case to finish the drive.

If you have helped to this point that is great! The AMP Steering Committee is asking for your continued help in organizing the last remaining months until we get a vote. If you are standing on the sideline we ask that you step forward and help for the next six or seven months. We have all invested a lot of time and effort to get rid of the TWU so let’s not watch all our efforts past and present go to waste. Everyone needs to get involved! If we can get all those who have helped in the past together with those who have been pushing the current drive we are certain to finish the job.

The TWU is aware of our approaching one year deadline and Jim Little has recently stated “something big is going to happen in August”. Ironically AMP Authorization Cards start to expire at the end of July and the beginning of August. If last week’s aircraft order is any indication the next TWU sell out is right around the corner. Regardless of what happens we need to keep the pressure on and fire the TWU once and for all.

Please contact and AMP Organizer to assist in getting the cards out in your shops and docks and have them resigned. This will again heighten the awareness of AMP and continue to show the company and TWU that AMP is not leaving! Again the AMP Steering Committee would like to thank all of you who have helped in the past and we ask for your continued support.

Please spread the word and forward this to all the AA title I & II contacts.

AMP Constitution www.ampnational.org/2amp_constitution_updatedpd.pdf From here you may print, save to your files, and/or share with others, the entire AMP Constitution.

AMP website is www.AMPNATIONAL.org

AMP Facebook is www.facebook.com/AMP.AA.2010

Thanks for your SUPPORT

1AA I’m curious seriously? Why did you guys let this go and not try to continue on? It looks to me like you guys just gave up?

The Facebook page has 532 likes and the last comment on it was from October 29, 2014.



https://www.gofundme.com/9wqx2-eliminate-the-association

 

[B737 driver]

1AA I’m curious seriously? Why did you guys let this go and not try to continue on? It looks to me like you guys just gave up?

The Facebook page has 532 likes and the last comment on it was from October 29, 2014.

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https://www.gofundme.com/9wqx2-eliminate-the-association

Maybe because they realized they need to try AMP and not AMFA, should be interesting to see what happens.

 

[Vortilon]

Hey Vortilon since you guys are no longer talking really about AMFA anymore and are back to AMP I though you might be happy to see this old thread dragged out of the attic and dusted off.

So will AMP re-register their webpage since it’s no longer active?

Right now, all options are on the table.

 

[WeAAsles]

Maybe because they realized they need to try AMP and not AMFA, should be interesting to see what happens.

I actually wish them luck. I really do. But it looks to me like they’re going to have to rebuild it again from scratch?

Personally I don’t think it’s going to be interesting at all because no one is going to put in the hard work to make it happen IMO.

Who’s going to rebuild the Webpage, make up the advertising, do the fundraising, hire the printers and send out the cards? Who’s going to travel to drum up the supporters? Who’s going to take the time off or the time from their personal lives to make this happen after they gave up the first time?

Seriously to all of them though. Good Luck.

 

[WeAAsles]

Right now, all options are on the table.

Cool what options?

You don’t seem to want AMFA anymore or SWA AMFA isn’t interested in you guys? (You’d take over the Union)
You never liked the TWU solo.
You can’t stand the IAM.
You detest the ASSociation.
You bash the IBT.
You don’t want any Industrial Unions.
Never heard if you have any interest in talking to the APA? (That’s if they would have any interest)
Not sure if you want no Representation whatsoever.
And now some of you are dragging AMP back out of Mothballs.

By now how can anyone not be anything but skeptical?

 

[WeAAsles]

“By 1974, ALSSA was dissolved and the American Airlines Flight Attendants became affiliated with the TWU of AFL-CIO, known as the Local 552. Achieved during the 1975 negotiations and 1976 contract were single rooms, “F” time, jumpseat passes, night pay, reserve guarantee, and the four and one-half hour day.

By 1976, American Flight Attendants began to pursue the independence of their own union. The Founding Board included Patt Gibbs, Kathy Knoop, Karen Chenault, Colleen Brenner, Ardell Callas, and Ross Montgomery. APFA was certified on May 16, 1977 as the bargaining agent for the American Airlines Flight Attendants by a vote of almost two to one.”

https://www.apfa.org/womens-history-month

 

[Buck]

Cool what options?

You don’t seem to want AMFA anymore or SWA AMFA isn’t interested in you guys? (You’d take over the Union)
You never liked the TWU solo.
You can’t stand the IAM.
You detest the ASSociation.
You bash the IBT.
You don’t want any Industrial Unions.
Never heard if you have any interest in talking to the APA? (That’s if they would have any interest)
Not sure if you want no Representation whatsoever.
And now some of you are dragging AMP back out of Mothballs.

By now how can anyone not be anything but skeptical?

What you have seen is mostly Tulsa testing the water. There has to be a consensus The Line stations and those currently represented by the IAM.
The TWU has more than the IAM but the Line is larger than Base Maintenance.
The reason I do not want any Industrial Unions ( AFL-CIO ) is because the Mechanic and related are outnumbered.

 

[WeAAsles]

What you have seen is mostly Tulsa testing the water. There has to be a consensus The Line stations and those currently represented by the IAM.
The TWU has more than the IAM but the Line is larger than Base Maintenance.
The reason I do not want any Industrial Unions ( AFL-CIO ) is because the Mechanic and related are outnumbered.

Ok Buck I’ve read every reason imaginable, argued many and even agreed with a few on you guys going with different representation. Ultimately I really don’t think it makes a hill of beans regarding higher gains monetarily with us being restricted by the Railway Labor Act anyway. But I know many of you don’t support the Socialist philosophy that a catch all Union by its nature has to subscribe to. Believe it or not I can understand the points of view against it in some areas.

Anyway I hope you guys know who this Thomas Talbert is that you’re donating money to since you’re up to $1600.00 now. Personally if someone were asking me to contribute I’d like to know who they want to try and go with first before I open my wallet?

 

[WeAAsles]

What you have seen is mostly Tulsa testing the water. There has to be a consensus The Line stations and those currently represented by the IAM.
The TWU has more than the IAM but the Line is larger than Base Maintenance.
The reason I do not want any Industrial Unions ( AFL-CIO ) is because the Mechanic and related are outnumbered.

Hey Buck I’m sure you know but why don’t you find out if whoever ran the old Facebook page is willing to hand over the keys and maybe you and some others can fire it back up?

From reading many of the old posts it seemed like at least there was some momentum there for AMP but maybe with the Bankruptcy stuff going on and the Association forming that’s what killed the energy?

Anyway you never know for sure unless you try even if the road could be very long?

 

[Hackman]

What you have seen is mostly Tulsa testing the water. There has to be a consensus The Line stations and those currently represented by the IAM.
The TWU has more than the IAM but the Line is larger than Base Maintenance.
The reason I do not want any Industrial Unions ( AFL-CIO ) is because the Mechanic and related are outnumbered.

Hey Buck, looks like like our anti-AMFA ramper buddy Dippy Dave traded in the his V6 Mustang for a fishing trawler. I hope he hires a crew smarter than he is on the USS Love Doug, fishing is a rough business.

Especially when that business interest has nothing to do with him.

The industrial unionists not in Title 1 come out of the wood work, just like the old days.

Dippy Dave...

 

[B737 driver]

Hey Buck I’m sure you know but why don’t you find out if whoever ran the old Facebook page is willing to hand over the keys and maybe you and some others can fire it back up?

From reading many of the old posts it seemed like at least there was some momentum there for AMP but maybe with the Bankruptcy stuff going on and the Association forming that’s what killed the energy?

Anyway you never know for sure unless you try even if the road could be very long?

The $10,000 is probably what you need for the postage and cards to get started.how long are they good for 1 year?

 

[Hackman]

Hey Buck I’m sure you know but why don’t you find out if whoever ran the old Facebook page is willing to hand over the keys and maybe you and some others can fire it back up?

From reading many of the old posts it seemed like at least there was some momentum there for AMP but maybe with the Bankruptcy stuff going on and the Association forming that’s what killed the energy?

Anyway you never know for sure unless you try even if the road could be very long?