what has the association accomplished?

[Racer X]

You iam guys did nothing the twu picketed and were fighting to get out of a sham bk contract , you iam did nothing till your insurance was in jeopardy. So stop it with your bs.

Clueless aren’t you?

 

[AANOTOK]

That pretty much sums it up. Maybe a few other things but that's the general differences. So any guesses who's language we'll end up with?

I'm thinking NYer probably knows. Rather he wants to divulge it or not is another story. And of course CB and P. Rez would know. Maybe I'm making this up or thought I heard it somewhere, but seems as though I heard that was one thing we were able to hold onto from the LAA contract. But don't shoot me if I'm totally wrong on that. NYer has stressed that there is quite a bit of language that those on the LAA side are gonna have to get use to. Maybe this is part of it.

 

[cltrat]

This is the feedback I am getting from several LUS fleet agents who went as pref hires with LAA, as to the differences between LUS leads and LAA crew chiefs:

1) Management shall not order or direct a clerk (ramp agent) to preform any assignment as all work related instructions must go through a CC. Exceptions being no immediately available CC or a formal superseding directive issued.

2) Unless through voluntary choice, a CC has no obligation to assist in dumping aircraft such as in-bounds or terminating flights including wing walking/marshalling, hooking-up air and power, watering or setting-up gate with equipment.

3) CC working the line shall have no obligation to either push back or wing walk during departure.

4) CC's shall not be ordered or instructed by Management to perform clerk duties, including loading or unloading aircraft, serving lavs or load carts.

5) Work daily assignments for clerks shall be handled solely by a CC control person, not Management.

6) Any previously unknown absence of a clerk or problematic work ethic shall be addressed with the CC, and the CC will address any issues at their discretion with Management, as needed.

In glaring contrast with LUS, Management always orders fleet service agents into various duties, handles the daily staffing assignments, expects Leads (CC's) to bring wands, headsets and sometimes equipment to gates, be present at arrivals and departures, and re-assigns Leads into ramp crew positions should there not be enough fleet service agents available on the ramp.

That's the largest issues and difference I have heard between Leads and CC's.

thks for that jester,I can only comment on clt as I’ve been told things aren’t the same from hub to hub(another problem)here management handles the staffing numbers as a cc I rotate from gate to gate within the work area that I bid each day.theres an assign lead for each work area he handles what flight agents work by assigning them to a given flt and around here the lead is responsible for everything but flying the damn plane

 

[CremaDiLimone]

That pretty much sums it up. Maybe a few other things but that's the general differences. So any guesses who's language we'll end up with?

umm, i believe a few posters have let the cat out of the bag, and NYer isn't one of them. sounded to me, as if the laa c/c will survive.

it's an issue to me, because i'll be GD'ed if i pay dues to an entity that allows a$$hole crew chiefs to fu9k with me or people i'm friends with.

like i said, if you bid a SPECIFIED shift, it's harder for the c/c to fu9k with you. the c/c may try, with the 'operational need' absurd excuse. we need more specified shifts, not general shifts and let the c/c decide.

 

[WeAAsles]

If no one is worried about our card drive why in the last one did the twu team up with the teamsters to screw our card drive. And the one before that had people who were dead on the company list. Your twu association spin is getting old. The company has a company union especially with sito and the twu gave in on the 04 contract with no snap back. If we had our union then we would not have gave in at least without snap back . The pilots got snap back. Weaas why do you care what union us mechanics are in. You are making top dollar for fleet at least till nov when delta gets there raise. I do not know who’s paying you to post but who ever it is needs to give you new material your a broken record.

I’m sorry and I really hope personally you’re doing well but I can’t converse with you as it’s pointless. You believe the things you chose to believe that aren’t based on facts or any provided evidence and even when you’re given refuting evidence on any subject if it doesn’t fit your particular indoctrinated views you summarily ignore it.

Other posters here who want to change Representation at least can discuss the issue and have more open minds. Not ever saying that I want or could convince them against their motivations but at least they don’t continue to bring up conspiracies that make zero sense whatsoever. That’s you.

 

[Talos]

umm, i believe a few posters have let the cat out of the bag, and NYer isn't one of them. sounded to me, as if the laa c/c will survive.

it's an issue to me, because i'll be GD'ed if i pay dues to an entity that allows a$$hole crew chiefs to fu9k with me or people i'm friends with.

like i said, if you bid a SPECIFIED shift, it's harder for the c/c to fu9k with you. the c/c may try, with the 'operational need' absurd excuse. we need more specified shifts, not general shifts and let the c/c decide.

I've seen what you are talking about Steve. I have not seen that too much here in DFW. I used to work zone support for many years and found that if you do consistent quality work you will get a fair shake. I don't think having mgmt assign people would do well with the work force so used to crew chiefs handling things.To be honest, I've always kept contact with mgmt to a minimum due to many of them not understanding how to deal with things. You must have had some really rotten crew chiefs cross your path Steve.

 

[Talos]

Sorry, I meant Crema.

 

[cltrat]

Cream over here it’s much easier for the assign lead to fk with you than the lead or cc,not that it’s any better

 

[CremaDiLimone]

no worries, talos.

i've had my fair share of good and corrupt. there are many more good ones than bad, but aa/union have given them too much power...where they determine your quality of work life. in my 30+ years, i had to go once to HR and what that c/c was doing to me was so flagrant, he gave me no other choice. as far as i know, HR did nothing to him, but he did back off and i believe that HR resolved that in my favor.

in modern times (2003) and recent times (2011 BK), some enterprising FSCs have decided to make their own personal contract with management. the back-slappers and kiss-asses. if we went to the iam/lead language, those same guys would not kiss the c/c-leads' asses anymore, but management's.

the fact that aa has a ridiculously liberal CS policy only makes matters worse in my opinion. i do believe that many lus guys will be in for a shock when they encounter laa crew chiefs.

 

[cltrat]

Example being,saying the assign lead doesn’t like me then he/she can give me chitty teams all night which obviously makes my job more difficult

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Cream over here it’s much easier for the assign lead to fk with you than the lead or cc,not that it’s any better

i believe the all that post here are not scammers. we read and post because we are concerned. the scammers are only concerned about getting out of work on that day...the lowest level and their highest level of thought, concerning aa.

those that post here with passion because they have a dominant 'fairness' gene in their DNA, should sympathize. it's an issue of fairness. those as stewards/officers and executives should be ashamed if they are more concerned about fairness at the negotiating table but don't give 2 $hit$ about fairness at the very basic level, the ramp level. i know it's cost some an election in my station.

recently, my local resolved an issue between 2 crew chiefs. from what i heard, they resolved it fairly and firmly. i applaud my local..from top-down. so, there is hope...because to me, there is now a precedent.

 

[Steve Walegir]

I'm thinking NYer probably knows. Rather he wants to divulge it or not is another story. And of course CB and P. Rez would know. Maybe I'm making this up or thought I heard it somewhere, but seems as though I heard that was one thing we were able to hold onto from the LAA contract. But don't shoot me if I'm totally wrong on that. NYer has stressed that there is quite a bit of language that those on the LAA side are gonna have to get use to. Maybe this is part of it.

Have you heard how many of those 26 CC spots are going to freight

 

[AANOTOK]

Have you heard how many of those 26 CC spots are going to freight

Haven’t a word.

 

[Steve Walegir]

umm, i believe a few posters have let the cat out of the bag, and NYer isn't one of them. sounded to me, as if the laa c/c will survive.

it's an issue to me, because i'll be GD'ed if i pay dues to an entity that allows a$$hole crew chiefs to fu9k with me or people i'm friends with.

like i said, if you bid a SPECIFIED shift, it's harder for the c/c to fu9k with you. the c/c may try, with the 'operational need' absurd excuse. we need more specified shifts, not general shifts and let the c/c decide.

Crema,
You're gonna have bad apples anywhere, I've seen it in every station I've worked but in my experience they are a very small number but even 1 can be a problem. 99% of the CC's I've worked with and for don't have that god complex, but your experience could be different. I wish you the best. But if you do run into one, there are things you can do about it. No one should be taken advantage of, weather or not the CC realizes it we are all in this together. Whenever we finally get a JCBA there will be bumps in the road, hopefully they don't last long

 

[Steve Walegir]

I've seen what you are talking about Steve. I have not seen that too much here in DFW. I used to work zone support for many years and found that if you do consistent quality work you will get a fair shake. I don't think having mgmt assign people would do well with the work force so used to crew chiefs handling things.To be honest, I've always kept contact with mgmt to a minimum due to many of them not understanding how to deal with things. You must have had some really rotten crew chiefs cross your path Steve.

Talos,
You are 100% correct about DFW. I use to be the same way with the csm's. As for getting a fair shake, yes the good dependable not looking to get out of work people were treated fairly well. There were the few zone coordinators who didn't know the job and screwed everyone but most took care of the good people and ran off the lazy bums