What Happens With The Unions Involved?
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USA320Pilot
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Rob:
In regard to unions merging, this is particularly complex for US Airways CSA's. LGA/037, could you provide an update with the exact information because I know you have researched this?
I know there are issues about the IBT being de-certified at America West but I am unsure of the particulars with thier CSR's.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
In regard to unions merging, this is particularly complex for US Airways CSA's. LGA/037, could you provide an update with the exact information because I know you have researched this?
I know there are issues about the IBT being de-certified at America West but I am unsure of the particulars with thier CSR's.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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We can only hope that the Company doesn't find this as yet another way to Screw the Furloughed Employees out of their Severnce pay as well as their Sick time payouts. If there is a way they can do it, I'm certain they will. Outsource our jobs with contractual agreements that provide a few benefits, and then find a
"Meger Loophole" to beat us one final time!
"Meger Loophole" to beat us one final time!
Robc98 said:
Robc98, America West CSR's ( as they are called ) just voted in the teamsters. According to CWA Reps I have spoken to they DO NOT HAVE a contract as of yet. AWA could de-certify them as our company did at first under Wolfe/Gangwal back when the CWA first got voted in . But regardless, a contract will have to be reopened again in order to get an agreement with the new members as well as the overall merger . Our biggest question (worry) is is there another paycut proposition looming as the AWA employees make $2-$3 less an hour already then us, or will the new members (AWA) be brought up to our current scale ?
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During an airline merger if “like employee†groups are represented by two different unions, the first step is to have a representation election where rank-and-file members of the two companies elect a single union to represent their labor group. Once this is complete then the union who presides over the combined work force creates a new seniority list. Following the seniority list integration then both work groups create a Joint Negotiating Committee (JNC) that negotiates a new CBA for all employees.
In the case of this merger with US Airways and America West not surviving and a holding company created, which will likely be lead by Doug Parker, the JNC would negotiate a new contract. Following ratification then the work groups could be merged.
In my opinion, US Airways employees have gone beyond what was necessary for the company to survive. The employee sacrifice has been significant and now it's time for the employees to share in the future success of the company, which can be accomplished through the JNC.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
In the case of this merger with US Airways and America West not surviving and a holding company created, which will likely be lead by Doug Parker, the JNC would negotiate a new contract. Following ratification then the work groups could be merged.
In my opinion, US Airways employees have gone beyond what was necessary for the company to survive. The employee sacrifice has been significant and now it's time for the employees to share in the future success of the company, which can be accomplished through the JNC.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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Not true the NMB does not always order a representational election:
45. Q: Is the NMB involved in carrier mergers?
A: In a merger, the NMB will make a determination if a "single transportation system" exists based upon an application from an incumbent organization representing a craft or class on the pre-existing or merged carrier. If the NMB determines a "single transportation system" exists, it may order a representation election. See Manual, Section 19:
NMB Information
45. Q: Is the NMB involved in carrier mergers?
A: In a merger, the NMB will make a determination if a "single transportation system" exists based upon an application from an incumbent organization representing a craft or class on the pre-existing or merged carrier. If the NMB determines a "single transportation system" exists, it may order a representation election. See Manual, Section 19:
NMB Information
usfly said:
I'm concerned as well. I hope someone will go to bat for us early outs. Flight benefits were part of the reason why i chose to leave. If they are not going to honor the early out flight benefits i hope they can come up with a compromise. ie:Maybe one pass a month or a bank of passes to be used in the next 10 years or something! Just dont leave us high and dry.
USA320Pilot
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700UW:
Thanks for the clarification. It's my understanding the NMB almost always lets the parties decide who they want to represent them.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
Thanks for the clarification. It's my understanding the NMB almost always lets the parties decide who they want to represent them.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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usfly said:
USair is notorious for not honoring it's promises or contracts. If any of the current group at CCY is still with the company, I would bet my last dollar that this provision will be tossed. It's up to the CWA and other labor groups to fight for this. But Im not counting on anything.
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1ab said:
As far as CCY...You are absolutely correct. You need not worry about the executives. I can assure you that if they don't get hefty severance packages or equivalent jobs in the new organization, the merger will not go through.
You can't use AA/TWA as a guide. AMRpurchased TWA. The combination of US and HP is to be a merger as I understand it. Two different scenarios entirely.
In the AA/TWA affair, TWA pilots were slotted in to some extent. TWA f/as were stapled at the bottom of the AA seniority list, maintenance and mechanics were
"slotted" (I think), but not really. It was different from one union and work group to another.
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USA320Pilot said:
the number of employees will help determine who the surviving union is for certification unless the employee groups are comparable. Comparability isn't necessarily a 50-50 number. FSA may actually have to vote on whether IAM or TWU. The holding company may actually argue for complete decertifications without a vote, including all groups. I find this unlikely though.
Things are a little more clouded for CSA. TO be sure, I believe the CSA will vote on either the IBT or CWA but it may not be a run-off. I'm sure the surviving holding company will argue that since all of its CSA are not under contract that a new election needs to take place to determine if there is a dispute. In which case [non-runoff], a certification could be lost in its entirety. The NMB maintains differences between represented employees and represented employees without a contract. I have followed the NMB for years and one thing I have learned is that big business has its politicall might in that Small Obscure Bureau. With mergers, the NMB makes it clear, it's 'case by case' and that could mean a whole lot of interesting and 'new things'.
regards,
