Harry Callahan
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Just curious with the pilots not voting on this what do most of you feel will happen next ?
What Do You Think Will Happen Next ?
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robbedagain
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well i think a ch11 is next followed by a judge's writing saying we must surrender a chunk of dough, then become a low cost carrier and a lean mean fighting machine type of carrier and then re-emerge and hopefully no more cities will be turned into the mickey mouse style called mainline express or worse lose any stations completely
oldiebutgoody
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I think chapter11, with the company quickly filing 1113 motions to carve up the wages and benefits. A wrench gets thrown into it when some sharp IAM or AFA lawyers (ALPA isn't the sharpest tool in the shed) present examples of management ineptitude, like Bronner making statements about liquidation and "pulling the plug" and the effect these things have had on UAIR's revenues. Then, ALL unions get new agreements foist upon them, but they are not NEARLY as onerous as the ones the company was threatening. Seems the unions (other than ALPA, who is suffering from serious stockholm syndrome) let it be known that anything unreasonable would be met with "self help", and since the judge is bound by law to do what would protect the creditors he was forced to compromise. RSA gets their equity wiped out, even though they attempt to get agreement from creditors not to do that. Bronner and Lakefield resign and go back to the golf course. Schear becomes the new chairman/CEO and some serious buttkicking (UAIR kicking the competitors) begins. Maybe only a dream, but it could happen!
USAirways will file chap. 11 sunday evening. In my view his goal will be to eliminate pensions payments and to make most of our stations mid atlantic except for BOS,PHL,CLT,LGA......I hear that bronner is going to move HQ to his home town bla bla bla.......I am not joking this is what I truly believe will happen.......
mrfish3726
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CBS Market watch! BK would have happened with or without a pilot TA. They still had to deal with the IAM and the F/A's union. Management as always came through to late to save USAIR. Wish you all the best of luck and hope that the BK judge doesn't rake you all over the coals.
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What are you all talking about...?
What they are going to do is already in place. :huh:
Pilots, Mechanics, Flight Attendants, CSA's.... Welcome to MidAtlantic...! :blink:
Everyone else... Thanks, and please consider US Airways (II) for your future flying needs. :unsure:
Really, all they have to do is point to what is already up and running, ask for the agreements already inplace to be expanded. Then just tell the creditors how much cheaper it will be, how much $$$ it will make, and the BK Judge will sign off on it.
Think about it, really...
What they are going to do is already in place. :huh:
Pilots, Mechanics, Flight Attendants, CSA's.... Welcome to MidAtlantic...! :blink:
Everyone else... Thanks, and please consider US Airways (II) for your future flying needs. :unsure:
Really, all they have to do is point to what is already up and running, ask for the agreements already inplace to be expanded. Then just tell the creditors how much cheaper it will be, how much $$$ it will make, and the BK Judge will sign off on it.
Think about it, really...
oldiebutgoody
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Midatlantic groups are in mainline, and represented by the SAME unions. Makes what you are saying highly improbable. Not to mention, if there is an asset to sell to keep this thing afloat, it would be MAA. I'll bet they go to MESA or some other scumbag outfit, along with all the wholly owneds. The embraer division needs to go to an airline that already has it's own operating certificate, since it doesn't have one of its own.
MidAtlantic IS Mainline
That is the point.
There is no need to come up with something that is already in place.
A simple expansion of the working agreements (or lack thereof) of what MidAtlantic now uses will more than suffice to lower costs.
It also takes a big argument off of the table for the unions, as if it is altready "good enough" for some of their membership on the same property, then why not the remainder...?
And what MDA does not use nowadays Airways really does not need to retain into the future, more or less...
I am not trying to be smart about it, I am just pointing out the obvious. That MDA working agreements, extended to the remainder of the mainline is exactly the sort of thing that all of us should expect in bankruptcy.
Wholly Owned sell off, probable. But MDA has been built up as fast as possible, during difficult times for a reason (just to sell...?), IMO it has been constructed in just such a manner to serve as a template and starting point for a "new" US Airways.
Hope I am not right, betting I am...
That is the point.
There is no need to come up with something that is already in place.
A simple expansion of the working agreements (or lack thereof) of what MidAtlantic now uses will more than suffice to lower costs.
It also takes a big argument off of the table for the unions, as if it is altready "good enough" for some of their membership on the same property, then why not the remainder...?
And what MDA does not use nowadays Airways really does not need to retain into the future, more or less...
I am not trying to be smart about it, I am just pointing out the obvious. That MDA working agreements, extended to the remainder of the mainline is exactly the sort of thing that all of us should expect in bankruptcy.
Wholly Owned sell off, probable. But MDA has been built up as fast as possible, during difficult times for a reason (just to sell...?), IMO it has been constructed in just such a manner to serve as a template and starting point for a "new" US Airways.
Hope I am not right, betting I am...
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Rico said:
I agree with Rico. I think that is exactly what will happen/is happening. They will continue to shrink mainline and continue to build up MidAtlantic. It is a perfect model for what mainline can be...one day...soon...more than likely...
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Maybe the plan is than say less than a year the whole airline will be "MidAtlantic". New name, new rules, now a true LCC. Gone "USAirways".
Smartest Loser
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In a letter tonight, MDA announced it will cancelled flights for SEPT & OCT bid. They received 5 new aircraft but have no one to fly them.
I can't take it anymore...!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I can't take it anymore...!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I pulled up this quote from Dr Bronner from a few weeks back
Just speculation,
But there is your financing source.
Like I said before..., An all EMB and Airbus airline, with MDA working agreements forced upon the unions, made into a hybrid point to point/hub structure, with Star Alliance and Carribean/Central/South American international feed, based out of low cost Alabama... THAT is a business model I bet he would further invest into.
Spin off an asset or two to help pay for the affair (PSA, PDT), and blamo, you have a workable plan.
How to make it work...? That is easy. The carrot and the stick. The "stick" should be pretty obvious to everyone by now. The carrot is not to hard to figure either...
Growth...
Lots and lots of Growth.
Nothing else could turn a disgruntled workforce around quicker. Toss in some profit sharing (returns), and you are off to the races.
Look, this thread is just a big "What if", and my guess is just a guess. A real painful guess, but not that far fetched. You look at the strange moves by the company so far (FLL, DCA, 737's, MDA, PSA, negotiations) and tell me something is not "in the works".
Just this guy's opinion.
Just speculation,
But there is your financing source.
Like I said before..., An all EMB and Airbus airline, with MDA working agreements forced upon the unions, made into a hybrid point to point/hub structure, with Star Alliance and Carribean/Central/South American international feed, based out of low cost Alabama... THAT is a business model I bet he would further invest into.
Spin off an asset or two to help pay for the affair (PSA, PDT), and blamo, you have a workable plan.
How to make it work...? That is easy. The carrot and the stick. The "stick" should be pretty obvious to everyone by now. The carrot is not to hard to figure either...
Growth...
Lots and lots of Growth.
Nothing else could turn a disgruntled workforce around quicker. Toss in some profit sharing (returns), and you are off to the races.
Look, this thread is just a big "What if", and my guess is just a guess. A real painful guess, but not that far fetched. You look at the strange moves by the company so far (FLL, DCA, 737's, MDA, PSA, negotiations) and tell me something is not "in the works".
Just this guy's opinion.
