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Good for you USA320Pilot. It's important that we hold tight to our beliefs.
Me, I believe in ghosts and UFO's.
You just keep keeping on Capt.!
We R Not In This Alone
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Good for you USA320Pilot. It's important that we hold tight to our beliefs.
Me, I believe in ghosts and UFO's.
You just keep keeping on Capt.!
Relax "E"...I A M one of you, want my A&P numberE-TRONS said:
Yes, it reeks and drips of sarcasm, unadulterated nonsense. It was meant to imply what the good captain really feels we as mechanics are worth.
Now take a deep breath, in and out, you need to relax! Working for this employee unfriendly team can make one tense up way too much.
“Hey, what do you think drives all this gray matter up here? Electricity. It's brain waves surfing on synaptic junctions. If your radio can go out because of sunspots, why can't your cerebellum? It's all a matter of reception and it seems to me these signals are going to get crossed somehow. It's all logical.â€
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This is nothing but a reporters slant. This again is something with no facts in it other than a quote about the obvious. We gave last year!!!! IAM will talk they have no choice, and frankly my opinion is they are on the way out at our company as well . If they agree and negotiate , the radicals in side the union will burn it down, sad but true. If they dont, they risk having no one to represent if us goes under. Either way their days representing our iam mechs. are drawing smaller. Hopefully these guys at the top are not radicals and are professional, which i think they are. They will need to walk a fine line and try to do whats best for both sides. My opinion only!
My opinion is your opinion is a dream:usfliboi said:
Dreams are postcards from our subconscious, inner self to outer self, right brain trying to cross that moat to the left. Too often they come back unread: "return to sender, addressee unknown." That's a shame because it's a whole other world out there--or in here depending on your point of view.
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Part of the IAM's bravado is the only major airline mechanics they represent is US Airways. The IAM is seeing a major membership decline due to losing mechanic representation at both United and Northwest, as well as the industry seeing major furloughs.
Coupled with pay cuts for all members and the declining membership, the union has sustained a huge drop in dues, which makes it difficult for the union to operate with shrinking funds.
Historically the Company has won most grievances and the odds seem to be in their favor regarding the upcoming grievance. Furthermore, if the Company wins the grievance, the mechanics will have less leverage to cut a deal to conduct A320 and other new aircraft heavy maintenance in-house.
If the mechanics lose the grievance, then I believe the company will replace the B767/B757s with A330s/A320s and the B737s with A319s/EMB -190/195s. That's why the Company has a 3-year lease, with a 1-year escape clause on the Pittsburgh Maintenance Facility.
Also noteworthy, the moves listed above are speculative on my part and not the "painful" move the Company could impose on the IAM if a "Going Forward Plan" accord is not negotiated between the Company and the IAM.
In my opinion, the IAM either cuts a deal or its members need to incrementally seek new employment, which would be difficult in this environment.
In regard to my work group we are not immune to the Company's problems and understand we will be working for a Southwest/JetBlue type of contract in the future. In fact, Jack Stephan said on Saturday's code-a-phone that "ALPA is pleased that the Company was successful in renegotiating favorable terms to the ATSB loan. With this important piece in place we can now begin the process of laying the foundation of the plan that will return our airline to profitability."
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Coupled with pay cuts for all members and the declining membership, the union has sustained a huge drop in dues, which makes it difficult for the union to operate with shrinking funds.
Historically the Company has won most grievances and the odds seem to be in their favor regarding the upcoming grievance. Furthermore, if the Company wins the grievance, the mechanics will have less leverage to cut a deal to conduct A320 and other new aircraft heavy maintenance in-house.
If the mechanics lose the grievance, then I believe the company will replace the B767/B757s with A330s/A320s and the B737s with A319s/EMB -190/195s. That's why the Company has a 3-year lease, with a 1-year escape clause on the Pittsburgh Maintenance Facility.
Also noteworthy, the moves listed above are speculative on my part and not the "painful" move the Company could impose on the IAM if a "Going Forward Plan" accord is not negotiated between the Company and the IAM.
In my opinion, the IAM either cuts a deal or its members need to incrementally seek new employment, which would be difficult in this environment.
In regard to my work group we are not immune to the Company's problems and understand we will be working for a Southwest/JetBlue type of contract in the future. In fact, Jack Stephan said on Saturday's code-a-phone that "ALPA is pleased that the Company was successful in renegotiating favorable terms to the ATSB loan. With this important piece in place we can now begin the process of laying the foundation of the plan that will return our airline to profitability."
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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Well said Pitbull. His post seems rather inflamatory. Is that allowed? SavyPITbull said:USA320,
Just don't keep your eye on the IAM....AFA has not agreed to "jack" and neither has CWA...
Just ALPA who still makes a livable wage, and obviously you guys thinks so, otherwise you wouldn't have tripped over yourselves running to get to the table.
Throw in a couple bucks for us
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From my perspective, working for a Southwest/JetBlue contract would make little difference. When taking longetivity into account, their contracts are pretty similiar to ours - some things a little better, some things a little worse, but no major differences except pensions.
As far as pensions, both have a 401K with partial company match. For older pilots like me, that would be a big hit. For the youngest, it would make some difference.
Even taking those parts of either of their contracts that are worse than ours and ignoring those parts that are better would be playing around the fringes - maybe a couple of tenths of a cent in CASM, nowhere near the 2 cents that Siegel is asking for. To achieve what he wants, there will have to be concessions at least as big as those during bankruptcy. Anyone that thinks otherwise is foolish indeed.
Jim
As far as pensions, both have a 401K with partial company match. For older pilots like me, that would be a big hit. For the youngest, it would make some difference.
Even taking those parts of either of their contracts that are worse than ours and ignoring those parts that are better would be playing around the fringes - maybe a couple of tenths of a cent in CASM, nowhere near the 2 cents that Siegel is asking for. To achieve what he wants, there will have to be concessions at least as big as those during bankruptcy. Anyone that thinks otherwise is foolish indeed.
Jim
It's not the money in the contracts anyway. Without changing a dime in hourly wages, the company could be profitable if there weren't so many people doing so little.
That's how WN does it in a nutshell, despite having been around for three decades. They have so few people doing so much.
That's how WN does it in a nutshell, despite having been around for three decades. They have so few people doing so much.
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DLFlyer31 said:
No, you're definitely not alone on that one, trust me!
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mweiss,
"That's how WN does it in a nutshell, despite having been around for three decades. They have so few people doing so much."
You are correct - now all we have to do is fly all point-to-point with a single fleet type, eliminate first class, etc., and our problems will be over.
Or, do what Siegel wants and offset the inefficiencies of our hub/spoke, mixed fleet, etc., operation by lowering employee costs well below that of the LCC's.
Jim
"That's how WN does it in a nutshell, despite having been around for three decades. They have so few people doing so much."
You are correct - now all we have to do is fly all point-to-point with a single fleet type, eliminate first class, etc., and our problems will be over.
Or, do what Siegel wants and offset the inefficiencies of our hub/spoke, mixed fleet, etc., operation by lowering employee costs well below that of the LCC's.
Jim
Jim,
It doesn't have to be that sort of Sophie's choice. AS is doing a fine job of being hubbed, with first class, assigned seating, meals on board, and even IFE. All while effectively competing against WN in many markets. Oh, and did I mention that they turned a (small) profit in 2003?
It doesn't have to be that sort of Sophie's choice. AS is doing a fine job of being hubbed, with first class, assigned seating, meals on board, and even IFE. All while effectively competing against WN in many markets. Oh, and did I mention that they turned a (small) profit in 2003?
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