USA320Pilot
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We R Not In This Alone
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You should be awarded with the perseverance and long suffering award with the constant barrage of we must do because this that and the next thing. Your approach plates are broken; we can see what you’re doing, which is the same worn out mantra over and over and over. You must be scared to death that if U goes to the land of OZ with Eastern, Pam etc you will surly perish…. Relax; it will be ok, I promise.USA320Pilot said:
DELETED BY MODERATOR He thinks it's cute! It's a little catch phrase he throws out there in the name of wittyness. If they (the mechanics) don't respond to suit him, he'll insult them next by comparing their worth to high school body shop students. It's what he does :blink:
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USA320Pilot
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Here's more grim reality:
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I believe there will be new accords between ALPA, AFA, IAM-FSA, CWA, and the TWU units. The IAM-M will likely lose the A320 heavy overhaul maintenance grievance and if they refuse to negotiate in the Going Forward Plan, Bronner will just get rid of the mechanics work. It's the mechaincs choice to cost effectively conduct maintenance in-house or have the A320 work sub-contracted. Then the company will get rid of the B767s/B757s and B737 with likely replacement aircraft (over time) as an independent business entity the A330s, A320s, and EMB-190/195s.
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USA320Pilot
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I believe there will be new accords between ALPA, AFA, IAM-FSA, CWA, and the TWU units. The IAM-M will likely lose the A320 heavy overhaul maintenance grievance and if they refuse to negotiate in the Going Forward Plan, Bronner will just get rid of the mechanics work. It's the mechaincs choice to cost effectively conduct maintenance in-house or have the A320 work sub-contracted. Then the company will get rid of the B767s/B757s and B737 with likely replacement aircraft (over time) as an independent business entity the A330s, A320s, and EMB-190/195s.
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USA320Pilot
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DLFlyer31 puzzled:
Yep, I scratched my noggin' on that one too. I suspect it was simply a writing boo boo.
I also suspect that USA320Pilot is trying to warn us that things suck all around and that we need to make some sacrifices to save what jobs we can.
Of course there's another way to read this article: Things suck all around and it is high time some folks started drawing a line with corporations and a government that toss so many workers in the garbage. Anyway, how does it help the job market if we voluntarily impoverish ourselves further and cannot contribute to more jobs by our spending power. Seems to me we'd just be contributing to the broader problem if we gave yet another round of concessions.
The problem really isn't labor costs, it's the way the company is mired in fixed capital and piddles away opportunities to better utilize the capacity it has.
In solidarity,
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Yep, I scratched my noggin' on that one too. I suspect it was simply a writing boo boo.
I also suspect that USA320Pilot is trying to warn us that things suck all around and that we need to make some sacrifices to save what jobs we can.
Of course there's another way to read this article: Things suck all around and it is high time some folks started drawing a line with corporations and a government that toss so many workers in the garbage. Anyway, how does it help the job market if we voluntarily impoverish ourselves further and cannot contribute to more jobs by our spending power. Seems to me we'd just be contributing to the broader problem if we gave yet another round of concessions.
The problem really isn't labor costs, it's the way the company is mired in fixed capital and piddles away opportunities to better utilize the capacity it has.
In solidarity,
Airline orphan
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USA320,
Just don't keep your eye on the IAM....AFA has not agreed to "jack" and neither has CWA...
Just ALPA who still makes a livable wage, and obviously you guys thinks so, otherwise you wouldn't have tripped over yourselves running to get to the table.
Throw in a couple bucks for us
Just don't keep your eye on the IAM....AFA has not agreed to "jack" and neither has CWA...
Just ALPA who still makes a livable wage, and obviously you guys thinks so, otherwise you wouldn't have tripped over yourselves running to get to the table.
Throw in a couple bucks for us
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When would " NOW " be a good time to turn over all of our flying to Mesa ? " NOW " might be a good time to start looking for another job since Mesa will soon be flying our E-170's which will be followed by the 737's and Airbuses !
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u and i will need those bucks after our next round of give backs !PITbull said:USA320,
Just don't keep your eye on the IAM....AFA has not agreed to "jack" and neither has CWA...
Just ALPA who still makes a livable wage, and obviously you guys thinks so, otherwise you wouldn't have tripped over yourselves running to get to the table.
Throw in a couple bucks for us
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What do you base your opinion on?USA320Pilot said:
IAM has overahauled EVERY type of airplane that US has ever flown and the IAM has all the company proposals where they asked for relief to farm out heavy mtc during section 6 negotiations. You could not be anymore wrong!
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US Airways buys more time but loses union's support
By Marilyn Adams, USA TODAY
Troubled US Airways (UAIR) has won a little more time from the government to cut costs and turn itself around, but at least one key labor group is refusing to help.
The airline said in a securities filing Friday that it restructured its $1 billion federally guaranteed loan to avoid default. A report to shareholders by auditor KPMG cited "substantial doubt" about the airline's future.
The new loan deal approved by the federal Air Transportation Stabilization Board requires US Airways to pre-pay $250 million of its debt. That gives the carrier more time to become profitable but leaves it with just $225 million more cash than the government will require — a thin cushion.
To meet new requirements of the loan, the airline, which left bankruptcy protection a year ago, says it must cut costs 25% more and finalize a business plan by midyear. It must turn a profit next year.
"This agreement gives us a narrow window for management and labor to ... make the changes necessary to get back to profitability," said US Airways Chairman David Bronner.
But labor's cooperation is uncertain at best. The International Association of Machinists, which represents US Airways' aircraft mechanics, is refusing to reopen its labor contract to make more concessions. Mechanics already have given up $250 million a year in pay and benefits. US Airways employees have given up $1 billion a year overall.
"We opened the contract twice last year, and the company got 100% of what it asked for," Robert Roach, a national IAM official, said in an interview Friday. He said current management "is incapable of running the airline."
The IAM's refusal comes as it defends its last stronghold in the airline industry. US Airways is the only major airline where the union still represents mechanics. It lost Northwest and United Airlines to an aggressive rival union, the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, which also tried to organize US Airways' mechanics last year.
Meanwhile, the pilots union has agreed to talk with US Airways management again, but the flight attendants union has demanded a detailed business plan before it will consider new talks.
Terms of the restructured loan suggest US Airways is still considering a sale of assets such as airport gates or a regional carrier. New terms allow the airline to keep 25% of asset proceeds, and a buyer may use a note as payment instead of cash.
By Marilyn Adams, USA TODAY
Troubled US Airways (UAIR) has won a little more time from the government to cut costs and turn itself around, but at least one key labor group is refusing to help.
The airline said in a securities filing Friday that it restructured its $1 billion federally guaranteed loan to avoid default. A report to shareholders by auditor KPMG cited "substantial doubt" about the airline's future.
The new loan deal approved by the federal Air Transportation Stabilization Board requires US Airways to pre-pay $250 million of its debt. That gives the carrier more time to become profitable but leaves it with just $225 million more cash than the government will require — a thin cushion.
To meet new requirements of the loan, the airline, which left bankruptcy protection a year ago, says it must cut costs 25% more and finalize a business plan by midyear. It must turn a profit next year.
"This agreement gives us a narrow window for management and labor to ... make the changes necessary to get back to profitability," said US Airways Chairman David Bronner.
But labor's cooperation is uncertain at best. The International Association of Machinists, which represents US Airways' aircraft mechanics, is refusing to reopen its labor contract to make more concessions. Mechanics already have given up $250 million a year in pay and benefits. US Airways employees have given up $1 billion a year overall.
"We opened the contract twice last year, and the company got 100% of what it asked for," Robert Roach, a national IAM official, said in an interview Friday. He said current management "is incapable of running the airline."
The IAM's refusal comes as it defends its last stronghold in the airline industry. US Airways is the only major airline where the union still represents mechanics. It lost Northwest and United Airlines to an aggressive rival union, the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, which also tried to organize US Airways' mechanics last year.
Meanwhile, the pilots union has agreed to talk with US Airways management again, but the flight attendants union has demanded a detailed business plan before it will consider new talks.
Terms of the restructured loan suggest US Airways is still considering a sale of assets such as airport gates or a regional carrier. New terms allow the airline to keep 25% of asset proceeds, and a buyer may use a note as payment instead of cash.
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