" Way down South in the land of Cotton,....Old times there are NOT Forgotten......."

700UW said:
Wiki is not a credible source.
 
Try again.
And neither are you!
 
Try again!
 
Guess you, being full of white guilt, wouldn't agree with this black man then!
 
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How many minorities or women are republicans v Dems in Congress?

The folks who used to be republicans are now dems and vice versa. People are the same, names changed. The south fought for slavery and they are still fighting to keep the memory alive.
 
South Carolina - A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free, and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction. This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

Mississippi - Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slaverythe greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin

Louisiana - As a separate republic, Louisiana remembers too well the whisperings of European diplomacy for the abolition of slavery in the times of an­nexation not to be apprehensive of bolder demonstrations from the same quarter and the North in this country. The people of the slave holding States are bound together by the same necessity and determination to preserve African slavery.

Alabama - Upon the principles then announced by Mr. Lincoln and his leading friends, we are bound to expect his administration to be conducted. Hence it is, that in high places, among the Republi­can party, the election of Mr. Lincoln is hailed, not simply as it change of Administration, but as the inauguration of new princi­ples, and a new theory of Government, and even as the downfall of slavery. Therefore it is that the election of Mr. Lincoln cannot be regarded otherwise than a solemn declaration, on the part of a great majority of the Northern people, of hostility to the South, her property and her institutionsnothing less than an open declaration of warfor the triumph of this new theory of Government destroys the property of the South, lays waste her fields, and inaugurates all the horrors of a San Domingo servile insurrection, consigning her citizens to assassinations, and. her wives and daughters to pollution and violation, to gratify the lust of half-civilized Africans.

Texas - in this free government all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding states

Jefferson Davis - You too know, that among us, white men have an equality resulting from a presence of a lower caste, which cannot exist where white men fill the position here occupied by the servile race. The mechanic who comes among us, employing the less intellectual labor of the African, takes the position which only a master-workman occupies where all the mechanics are white, and therefore it is that our mechanics hold their position of absolute equality among us.

James Henry Hammond - The difference between us is, that our slaves are hired for life and well compensated; there is no starvation, no begging, no want of employment among our people, and not too much employment either. Yours are hired by the day, not cared for, and scantily compensated, which may be proved in the most painful manner, at any hour in any street of your large towns. Why, you meet more beggars in one day, in any single street of the city of New York, than you would meet in a lifetime in the whole South.

We do not think that whites should be slaves either by law or necessity. Our slaves are black, of another and inferior race. The status in which we have placed them is an elevation. They are elevated from the condition in which God first created them, by being made our slaves. None of that race on the whole face of the globe can be compared with the slaves of the South. They are happy, content, unaspiring, and utterly incapable, from intellectual weakness, ever to give us any trouble by their aspirations. Yours are white, of your own race; you are brothers of one blood. They are your equals in natural endowment of intellect, and they feel galled by their degradation.

Georgia Gov. Joseph Brown - Among us the poor white laborer is respected as an equal. His family is treated with kindness, consideration and respect. He does not belong to the menial class. The negro is in no sense of the term his equal. He feels and knows this. He belongs to the only true aristocracy, the race of white men. He black no masters boots, and bows the knee to no one save God alone. He receives higher wages for his labor than does the laborer of any other portion of the world, and he raises up his children with the knowledge, that they belong to no inferior cast, but that the highest members of the society in which he lives, will, if their conduct is good, respect and treat them as equals.

Florida Secession convention - At the South, and with our People of course, slavery is the element of all value, and a destruction of that destroys all that is property.

This party, now soon to take possession of the powers of the Government, is sectional, irresponsible to us, and driven on by an infuriated fanatical madness that defies all opposition, must inevitably destroy every vestige or right growing out of property in slaves.

Gentlemen, the State of Florida is now a member of the Union under the power of the Government, so to go into the hands of this party.

As we stand our doom is decreed.

1864 editors for the Southern Punch - The people of the South, says a contemporary, are not fighting for slavery but for independence. Let us look into this matter. It is an easy task, we think, to show up this new-fangled heresy a heresy calculated to do us no good, for it cannot deceive foreign statesmen nor peoples, nor mislead any one here nor in Yankeeland. . . Our doctrine is this: WE ARE FIGHTING FOR INDEPENDENCE THAT OUR GREAT AND NECESSARY DOMESTIC INSTITUTION OF SLAVERY SHALL BE PRESERVED, and for the preservation of other institutions of which slavery is the groundwork.
 
Ms Tree said:
How many minorities or women are republicans v Dems in Congress?

The folks who used to be republicans are now dems and vice versa. People are the same, names changed. The south fought for slavery and they are still fighting to keep the memory alive.
Your so full of sh!t! Again the CW was about far more than slavery and I don't know one southerner who looks at the confederate flag and says , " Yep, that flag makes me yearn for the days of slavery"!

And again, there's only one party that owns slaves today and wants them beholden to government!
 
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'Tree.
Your post # 170 says it all !
 
The conservatives on here KNOW that yesterdays republicans ARE todays Democrat, Yet they try to spin it.
 
They can defend the flag representing STATES RIGHTS, and Independence.
Independence to keep thier economy lucrative by mainly keeping the cotton free flowing out of the port of Charlston, Yet they conveniently want to ignore that thier algebraic formula of....... I = E = C = S...only was   I = E = C .........while leaving out the " S ".
I = Independence
E = Economy
C = Cotton
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S = SLAVERY.
 
Brutal Southern LIARS  !
 
southwind said:
Your so full of sh!t! Again the CW was about far more than slavery and I don't know one southerner who looks at the confederate flag and says , " Yep, that flag makes me yearn for the days of slavery"!
And again, there's only one party that owns slaves today and wants them beholden to government!
I posted statements and what not from the Southern states giving their reasons and feelings for slavery. You post your opinion......
 
La Li Lu Le Lo said:
That is the dirty secret of welfare.
Where is your proof that the war was not about slavery? I gave you quote after quote showing that it was.
 
Ms Tree said:
Where is your proof that the war was not about slavery? I gave you quote after quote showing that it was.
Slavery was a component of the war for sure but to say the war was JUST about slavery is naive. 
 
Another component of the war was that some felt that the federal government was trampling state rights. They felt states should have the right to deny some federal laws.
 
You know kind of like the federal government forcing acceptance of gay marriage on the states when marriage has always been under the purview of the states.
 
Never said the sole purpose but certainly the primary. The states rights issue is a read herring. They wanted states rights to keep slavery. To argue other wise ignores the facts as stated by the confer ate states when they argued to secede from the Union.

Not like marriage equality at all. According to the SCOTUS marriage is a fundamental right and the states have no authority to limit it.
 
Ms Tree said:
Never said the sole purpose but certainly the primary. The states rights issue is a read herring. They wanted states rights to keep slavery. To argue other wise ignores the facts as stated by the confer ate states when they argued to secede from the Union.

Not like marriage equality at all. According to the SCOTUS marriage is a fundamental right and the states have no authority to limit it.
Show me in the Constitution where it says that.
 
The SCOTUS is supposed to enforce the Constitution. If you can show me a specific section in the Constitution that states specifically that marriage is a fundamental right I will never discuss this topic again on this forum.
 
Your move. 
 

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