WingNaPrayer
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How are they handling the givebacks for employees who have already taken their vacations for this year? Are they docking wages by a week''s pay?
Vacation Givebacks
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NewHampshire Black Bears
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On 5/8/2003 6:08:26 AM WingNaPrayer wrote:
How are they handling the "givebacks" for employees who have already taken their vacations for this year? Are they docking wages by a week''s pay?
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On 5/8/2003 6:08:26 AM WingNaPrayer wrote:
How are they handling the "givebacks" for employees who have already taken their vacations for this year? Are they docking wages by a week''s pay?
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Not sure, but I think that in the above scenario, that AA will "settle up" in ''04.
In contrast, I''ve heard from people, in other stations(NOT mine) that the overtime spigot is "open wide"
Ya'' gotta love it !
Only in America(n) !
NH/BB''s
March 31, 2003
James C. Little
Administrative Vice President, Air Transport Division
Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO
1791 Hurstview Dr.
Hurst, Texas 76054
Re: Reduced Vacation Application
This will confirm our understanding reached during the negotiations leading up to the agreement signed on (DOS), 2003. During these negotiations, we discussed how to implement the one week vacation savings in order to realize the savings in 2003 thereby avoiding additional decreases in pay or other work rule changes.
The basic principal of the transition application is that each employee with vacation remaining in 2003 will roll one (1) week of 2002’s accrued vacation to use in 2004 thus reducing 2003 accrual by two (2) weeks. The application in effect combines vacation weeks from 2003 and 2004 which are then divided between the two years depending on whether or not the employee has already used some or all of his current vacation. The net effect is that we reduce the total weeks over the two (2) years by two (2) weeks.
The attached diagram on the attached page illustrates this application. It provides an example at each point from seven (7) weeks through two (2) weeks.
As part of the implementation and in order to realize the savings, employees will defer a week of 2003 vacation based on a certain allocation for each individual week. Example: Week of September 6 and 13, 2003. Station ABC will allow 6 employees to defer Sept. 6, 2003 and 6 employees for Sept. 13, 2003. This is to ensure the Company does not have too many of the same week deferred. To allow employees to select without a limitation could cause a scenario whereby Sept. 6 has 15 employees defer and Sept. 13 has only 4, thus, the vacation relief coverage would be skewed and the vacation relief headcount would not be balanced properly.
Once the procedures have been finalized, employees need to provide which week they would like to defer to local management no later than May 8, 2003. In the event, there are weeks made available after the deferral process is complete, local management in conjunction with the local union will work out a selection process for those available weeks.
For those employees, who as a result of the deferral and adjusted accrual do not have a week of vacation for 2004, can take time off without pay through a CS arrangement. We understand that for employees to work an entire year or more without a scheduled vacation should have time off and therefore strongly encourage these employees to utilize the flex vacation option which will be made available in October of 2003 for 2004 vacation.
Sincerely,
James B. Weel
Managing Director
Employee Relations
Agreed to this date:
___________________________
James C. Little
Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO
James C. Little
Administrative Vice President, Air Transport Division
Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO
1791 Hurstview Dr.
Hurst, Texas 76054
Re: Reduced Vacation Application
This will confirm our understanding reached during the negotiations leading up to the agreement signed on (DOS), 2003. During these negotiations, we discussed how to implement the one week vacation savings in order to realize the savings in 2003 thereby avoiding additional decreases in pay or other work rule changes.
The basic principal of the transition application is that each employee with vacation remaining in 2003 will roll one (1) week of 2002’s accrued vacation to use in 2004 thus reducing 2003 accrual by two (2) weeks. The application in effect combines vacation weeks from 2003 and 2004 which are then divided between the two years depending on whether or not the employee has already used some or all of his current vacation. The net effect is that we reduce the total weeks over the two (2) years by two (2) weeks.
The attached diagram on the attached page illustrates this application. It provides an example at each point from seven (7) weeks through two (2) weeks.
As part of the implementation and in order to realize the savings, employees will defer a week of 2003 vacation based on a certain allocation for each individual week. Example: Week of September 6 and 13, 2003. Station ABC will allow 6 employees to defer Sept. 6, 2003 and 6 employees for Sept. 13, 2003. This is to ensure the Company does not have too many of the same week deferred. To allow employees to select without a limitation could cause a scenario whereby Sept. 6 has 15 employees defer and Sept. 13 has only 4, thus, the vacation relief coverage would be skewed and the vacation relief headcount would not be balanced properly.
Once the procedures have been finalized, employees need to provide which week they would like to defer to local management no later than May 8, 2003. In the event, there are weeks made available after the deferral process is complete, local management in conjunction with the local union will work out a selection process for those available weeks.
For those employees, who as a result of the deferral and adjusted accrual do not have a week of vacation for 2004, can take time off without pay through a CS arrangement. We understand that for employees to work an entire year or more without a scheduled vacation should have time off and therefore strongly encourage these employees to utilize the flex vacation option which will be made available in October of 2003 for 2004 vacation.
Sincerely,
James B. Weel
Managing Director
Employee Relations
Agreed to this date:
___________________________
James C. Little
Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO
NewHampshire Black Bears
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On 5/8/2003 9:54:47 AM xlurker wrote:
It will be adjusted next year.
The year after that also if you are into borrowed time already.
Oh Yea - The same old OT rumor. Any proof? What station and branch? I will look it up.
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On 5/8/2003 9:54:47 AM xlurker wrote:
It will be adjusted next year.
The year after that also if you are into borrowed time already.
Oh Yea - The same old OT rumor. Any proof? What station and branch? I will look it up.
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I''ll give you a "hint".
It''s a Large(non-hub) station, in the northeast.
Good luck "Mr. Holmes" !!
NH/BB''s
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On 5/8/2003 4
57 PM xlurker wrote:
Just what I thought -- A rumor Spreader. Nice Credibility.
Give me the station and branch. OT is not a secret. I will look up exactly how much they are getting.
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JFK Maint, Fleet never stopped.On 5/8/2003 4
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On 5/8/2003 3:22:02 PM NewHampshire Black Bears wrote:
I'll give you a "hint".
It's a Large(non-hub) station, in the northeast.
Good luck "Mr. Holmes" !!
NH/BB's
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On 5/8/2003 3:22:02 PM NewHampshire Black Bears wrote:
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On 5/8/2003 9:54:47 AM xlurker wrote:
It will be adjusted next year.
The year after that also if you are into borrowed time already.
Oh Yea - The same old OT rumor. Any proof? What station and branch? I will look it up.
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On 5/8/2003 9:54:47 AM xlurker wrote:
It will be adjusted next year.
The year after that also if you are into borrowed time already.
Oh Yea - The same old OT rumor. Any proof? What station and branch? I will look it up.
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I'll give you a "hint".
It's a Large(non-hub) station, in the northeast.
Good luck "Mr. Holmes" !!
NH/BB's
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Just what I thought -- A rumor Spreader. Nice Credibility.
Give me the station and branch. OT is not a secret. I will look up exactly how much they are getting.
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On 5/8/2003 3:22:02 PM NewHampshire Black Bears wrote:
I''ll give you a "hint".
It''s a Large(non-hub) station, in the northeast.
Good luck "Mr. Holmes" !!
NH/BB''s
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On 5/8/2003 3:22:02 PM NewHampshire Black Bears wrote:
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On 5/8/2003 9:54:47 AM xlurker wrote:
It will be adjusted next year.
The year after that also if you are into borrowed time already.
Oh Yea - The same old OT rumor. Any proof? What station and branch? I will look it up.
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On 5/8/2003 9:54:47 AM xlurker wrote:
It will be adjusted next year.
The year after that also if you are into borrowed time already.
Oh Yea - The same old OT rumor. Any proof? What station and branch? I will look it up.
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I''ll give you a "hint".
It''s a Large(non-hub) station, in the northeast.
Good luck "Mr. Holmes" !!
NH/BB''s
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Just what I thought -- A rumor Spreader. Nice Credibility.
Give me the station and branch. OT is not a secret. I will look up exactly how much they are getting.
xlurker,
You said, "Give me the station and branch. OT is not a secret. I will look up exactly how much they are getting."
BOS-FSC, give the totals for Jan. and Mar. on a weekly basis restricting the reply to those months only. 8 Weeks of figures for BOS FSC; 4 Weeks in Jan., 4 Weeks in Mar.
Thnx.
You said, "Give me the station and branch. OT is not a secret. I will look up exactly how much they are getting."
BOS-FSC, give the totals for Jan. and Mar. on a weekly basis restricting the reply to those months only. 8 Weeks of figures for BOS FSC; 4 Weeks in Jan., 4 Weeks in Mar.
Thnx.
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On 5/8/2003 7
24 PM Boomer wrote:
xlurker,
You said, "Give me the station and branch. OT is not a secret. I will look up exactly how much they are getting."
BOS-FSC, give the totals for Jan. and Mar. on a weekly basis restricting the reply to those months only. 8 Weeks of figures for BOS FSC; 4 Weeks in Jan., 4 Weeks in Mar.
Thnx.
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On 5/8/2003 7
24 PM Boomer wrote: xlurker,
You said, "Give me the station and branch. OT is not a secret. I will look up exactly how much they are getting."
BOS-FSC, give the totals for Jan. and Mar. on a weekly basis restricting the reply to those months only. 8 Weeks of figures for BOS FSC; 4 Weeks in Jan., 4 Weeks in Mar.
Thnx.
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Station and branch man. This OT was due to a RIF?
My point being the company RIF'd employees and then opened the OT up? You paid for it with VC givebacks?
I am sure there is OT going on. Definately not in Tulsa.
It all depends on your perspective. If that happened in Tulsa, it would be extremely stupid. To do so in a field station with RELATIVELY few employees. The cost is insignificant.
It looks bad for the employee in that field station because that is their perspective. Most of the people there may be getting OT. That is not necessairily most of the people in M&E.
I will be glad to look up OT if given station and branch. For example 0200/7228
Xlurker:
From what I am hearing, the OT tap is also wide & flowing at Weather Services. There are at least two bid lines (meaning 36 8-hour shifts out of each 28 days) presently being covered by overtime. And no one to cover vacations. And they STILL haven''t recalled.
TANSTAAFL
From what I am hearing, the OT tap is also wide & flowing at Weather Services. There are at least two bid lines (meaning 36 8-hour shifts out of each 28 days) presently being covered by overtime. And no one to cover vacations. And they STILL haven''t recalled.
TANSTAAFL
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more BS and crap being spit out by NHBB.....awww dont you have a union to try and overthrow. Good Luck
NewHampshire Black Bears
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On 5/8/2003 9
28 PM xlurker wrote:
Station and branch man. This OT was due to a RIF?
My point being the company RIF''d employees and then opened the OT up? You paid for it with VC givebacks?
I am sure there is OT going on. Definately not in Tulsa.
It all depends on your perspective. If that happened in Tulsa, it would be extremely stupid. To do so in a field station with RELATIVELY few employees. The cost is insignificant.
It looks bad for the employee in that field station because that is their perspective. Most of the people there may be getting OT. That is not necessairily most of the people in M&E.
I will be glad to look up OT if given station and branch. For example 0200/7228
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On 5/8/2003 9
28 PM xlurker wrote: ----------------
On 5/8/2003 724 PM Boomer wrote:
xlurker,
You said, "Give me the station and branch. OT is not a secret. I will look up exactly how much they are getting."
BOS-FSC, give the totals for Jan. and Mar. on a weekly basis restricting the reply to those months only. 8 Weeks of figures for BOS FSC; 4 Weeks in Jan., 4 Weeks in Mar.
Thnx.
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On 5/8/2003 7
24 PM Boomer wrote: xlurker,
You said, "Give me the station and branch. OT is not a secret. I will look up exactly how much they are getting."
BOS-FSC, give the totals for Jan. and Mar. on a weekly basis restricting the reply to those months only. 8 Weeks of figures for BOS FSC; 4 Weeks in Jan., 4 Weeks in Mar.
Thnx.
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Station and branch man. This OT was due to a RIF?
My point being the company RIF''d employees and then opened the OT up? You paid for it with VC givebacks?
I am sure there is OT going on. Definately not in Tulsa.
It all depends on your perspective. If that happened in Tulsa, it would be extremely stupid. To do so in a field station with RELATIVELY few employees. The cost is insignificant.
It looks bad for the employee in that field station because that is their perspective. Most of the people there may be getting OT. That is not necessairily most of the people in M&E.
I will be glad to look up OT if given station and branch. For example 0200/7228
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Have you EVER heard of AA "fudgeing" numbers, of any sort ?
For example, the "vaunted" ON TIME DEPARTURE.
You know, the one where pilots release the brakes, to show an on time, or early departure from the gate, AND THEN somehow(I''m not exactly sure how they do it) after the flight REALLY is set to go, take their foot off the brake to be able to push back.
(I wonder if eoleson cares to comment on this practice ?)
My point.
Do you think MABEY? AA management "might" be fudging OT numbers? DO YOU??????????
I stand by my sources, that a large station(non hub) in the northeast has the OT spigot open wide. In fact, from what I''m told It''s been open for OVER A YEAR !!!!!!
NH/BB''s
Guest
you will never get any Facts from Clueless..oops I mean NHBB that would take away his mindless complaining.
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On 5/9/2003 8:06:36 AM NewHampshire Black Bears wrote:
Have you EVER heard of AA "fudgeing" numbers, of any sort ?
For example, the "vaunted" ON TIME DEPARTURE.
You know, the one where pilots release the brakes, to show an on time, or early departure from the gate, AND THEN somehow(I''m not exactly sure how they do it) after the flight REALLY is set to go, take their foot off the brake to be able to push back.
(I wonder if eoleson cares to comment on this practice ?)
My point.
Do you think MABEY? AA management "might" be fudging OT numbers? DO YOU??????????
I stand by my sources, that a large station(non hub) in the northeast has the OT spigot open wide. In fact, from what I''m told It''s been open for OVER A YEAR !!!!!!
NH/BB''s
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On 5/9/2003 8:06:36 AM NewHampshire Black Bears wrote:
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On 5/8/2003 928 PM xlurker wrote:
Station and branch man. This OT was due to a RIF?
My point being the company RIF''d employees and then opened the OT up? You paid for it with VC givebacks?
I am sure there is OT going on. Definately not in Tulsa.
It all depends on your perspective. If that happened in Tulsa, it would be extremely stupid. To do so in a field station with RELATIVELY few employees. The cost is insignificant.
It looks bad for the employee in that field station because that is their perspective. Most of the people there may be getting OT. That is not necessairily most of the people in M&E.
I will be glad to look up OT if given station and branch. For example 0200/7228
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On 5/8/2003 9
28 PM xlurker wrote: ----------------
On 5/8/2003 724 PM Boomer wrote:
xlurker,
You said, "Give me the station and branch. OT is not a secret. I will look up exactly how much they are getting."
BOS-FSC, give the totals for Jan. and Mar. on a weekly basis restricting the reply to those months only. 8 Weeks of figures for BOS FSC; 4 Weeks in Jan., 4 Weeks in Mar.
          Thnx.
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On 5/8/2003 7
24 PM Boomer wrote: xlurker,
You said, "Give me the station and branch. OT is not a secret. I will look up exactly how much they are getting."
BOS-FSC, give the totals for Jan. and Mar. on a weekly basis restricting the reply to those months only. 8 Weeks of figures for BOS FSC; 4 Weeks in Jan., 4 Weeks in Mar.
          Thnx.
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Station and branch man. This OT was due to a RIF?
My point being the company RIF''d employees and then opened the OT up? You paid for it with VC givebacks?
I am sure there is OT going on. Definately not in Tulsa.
It all depends on your perspective. If that happened in Tulsa, it would be extremely stupid. To do so in a field station with RELATIVELY few employees. The cost is insignificant.
It looks bad for the employee in that field station because that is their perspective. Most of the people there may be getting OT. That is not necessairily most of the people in M&E.
I will be glad to look up OT if given station and branch. For example 0200/7228
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Have you EVER heard of AA "fudgeing" numbers, of any sort ?
For example, the "vaunted" ON TIME DEPARTURE.
You know, the one where pilots release the brakes, to show an on time, or early departure from the gate, AND THEN somehow(I''m not exactly sure how they do it) after the flight REALLY is set to go, take their foot off the brake to be able to push back.
(I wonder if eoleson cares to comment on this practice ?)
My point.
Do you think MABEY? AA management "might" be fudging OT numbers? DO YOU??????????
I stand by my sources, that a large station(non hub) in the northeast has the OT spigot open wide. In fact, from what I''m told It''s been open for OVER A YEAR !!!!!!
NH/BB''s
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Dude: You need to change your name to Clueless.
I offered to look up what was in the auto TA records. What the guys were paid. You think management can fudge that?
Give me the station and branch and I will look it up. No B.S. only facts.
That would not be any fun I guess. Much more fun to point the finger and spread around He said/She said facts.
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On 5/8/2003 928 PM xlurker wrote:
I will be glad to look up OT if given station and branch. For example 0200/7228
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Tag 11438941 will get you all of JFK Line Mntc. It is the sum of the following cost centers:On 5/8/2003 9
28 PM xlurker wrote: I will be glad to look up OT if given station and branch. For example 0200/7228
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0702/4710
0702/7882
0702/7910
0702/7930
0702/7931
0702/7933
0702/7935
0705/7930
Chances are that not all of these cost centers contain data. When you pull OT, make sure to pull a wide selection of months so that you can get an idea of what normal OT levels may be. Check dependability for those time periods as well on perf.aa.com (and then thank eolesen for the data), just to make sure that we didn''t have any nasty OSO during those months. Also, check their total non-OT headcount versus their budget to make sure that there wasn''t a slew of retirements that caused the holes that needed to be filled.
